I, of course, agree that the Félicien Rops image is offensive, and we have no reason to needlessly offend by putting it in articles where less-offensive images are equally encyclopedic. However, it's also by a notable artist, and, as such, can be used to illustrate his work, the subjects you mention, and other similar cases and thus shouldn't be permanently deleted. without discussion, as part of an effort to make Commons entirely child friendly which has little support outside of Jimbo himself.
The point is not whether images should or shouldn't be used to illustrate specific articles, the point is that Wales has decided, on his own, that all images that are at all pornographic should be deleted, and has gone about deleting images by notable artists, and when challenged, stonewalled completely by saying that no discussion of his actions would be heard until he had finished his disruption, and all the images were already gone.
I'm not one of Wikipeda's porn editors. I didn't know these images existed in advance. But I worried that the new policy would be used to censor art, and, it turns out, was completely and totally correct.
-Adam.
Well, do you need a picture to explain a dildo? File:Franz von Bayros 016.jpg is more or less art, but File:Félicien Rops - Sainte-Thérèse.png which is used on three Wikipedias to illustrate the use of a dildo has some real problems with being offensive to Catholics (Of course Japanese or Chinese Catholics don't matter, but they do). Much better to use a photo of the woman using a dildo or at least an eye-witness report published in a reliable source. The image could, of course, be used appropriately to illustrate an article on caricatures or something about anti-catholicism.
Fred Bauder
How child friendly should we be?
Fred Bauder
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Adam Cuerden cuerden@gmail.com wrote:
I, of course, agree that the Félicien Rops image is offensive, and we have no reason to needlessly offend by putting it in articles where less-offensive images are equally encyclopedic. However, it's also by a notable artist, and, as such, can be used to illustrate his work, the subjects you mention, and other similar cases and thus shouldn't be permanently deleted. without discussion, as part of an effort to make Commons entirely child friendly which has little support outside of Jimbo himself.
The point is not whether images should or shouldn't be used to illustrate specific articles, the point is that Wales has decided, on his own, that all images that are at all pornographic should be deleted, and has gone about deleting images by notable artists, and when challenged, stonewalled completely by saying that no discussion of his actions would be heard until he had finished his disruption, and all the images were already gone.
I'm not one of Wikipeda's porn editors. I didn't know these images existed in advance. But I worried that the new policy would be used to censor art, and, it turns out, was completely and totally correct.
-Adam.
Well, do you need a picture to explain a dildo? File:Franz von Bayros 016.jpg is more or less art, but File:Félicien Rops - Sainte-Thérèse.png which is used on three Wikipedias to illustrate the use of a dildo has some real problems with being offensive to Catholics (Of course Japanese or Chinese Catholics don't matter, but they do). Much better to use a photo of the woman using a dildo or at least an eye-witness report published in a reliable source. The image could, of course, be used appropriately to illustrate an article on caricatures or something about anti-catholicism.
Fred Bauder
Adam can you please stop starting a new thread for every new point you wish to make. More threads just increases noise.
-Chad
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