The de-recognition notice was sent on February 26 to WMPH. If you read the original email sent, it clearly says that on September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Philippines was notified of their suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate, and given a deadline to correct a list of issues, which was not met. The chapter's recognition was not renewed after March 1, 2017. We're just 5 days before May. Please read well the original email.
Honestly, do you really think the chapter was de-recognised all of a sudden, without a chance to correct the issues raised? Do you really think there was no communication between September 2016 and March 1, 2017?
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----- Reply message ----- From: "Gnangarra" gnangarra@gmail.com To: "Wikimedia Mailing List" wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: "Wikimedia Movement Affiliates discussion list" affiliates@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Chapter De-Recognition: Wikimedia Philippines Date: Tue, Apr 25, 2017 1:43 PM
In the original email from Josh he raises some points about still working to address the issues in the five hours between his email and your response which have occurred between 9pm and 2am in San Francisco it appears that it could not be possible for the WMF to have considered and refuted what was raised, especially to say "The WMF and the AffCom have decided not to disclose further details." I am concerned about how you can speak so categorically after just 5 hours for the WMF when they arent even awake, especially given it normally takes a few days for any official statement from the WMF.
I have no problem with affiliates being deregistered but the process should be transparent and it should also be fair, no discussion or response to what Josh raised publically is neither fair nor transparent
Josh response was that WMPH was accountable you could have least given him the chance to clarify the availability of the reporting requirements by providing them
On 25 April 2017 at 17:33, Maor Malul maor_x@zoho.com wrote: Hello,
The wikimedians from the Phillippines that attended the WMCON are /not /members of WMPH but of PhilWiki Community [1], which is a completely different Wikimedia affiliate.
If you read the original e-mail sent, the governance issues started to appear in 2014, and the chapter was notified back then. More issues accumulated over the time, and a solution was indeed searched for. Please elaborate on what "substantive discussion, consultation or investigation" means.
1: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/PhilWiki_Community
El 25/04/2017 a las 12:16 p.m., Gnangarra escribió:
It appears to me as this discussion has caused some confusion and it should be clarified as I know that the Philippines had two members at the recent Wikimedia Conference in Berlin arent there reporting requirements attached to eligibility requirements. They are also part of the group organising the ESEA conference in February 2018 along with a number of other affiliates in the region. Those of us who have committed people, time and other resources need some clarity as well
While there appears to be some confusion here, Affcom and WMF should at least take some time to clarify the issues especially given its currently 2am in San Francisco and it was only 9pm when Joshes email was sent. To me it appears as if no substantive discussion, consultation or investigation of Joshes claims could have taken place to warrant such a harsh response so quickly.
On 25 April 2017 at 16:05, Maor Malul <maor_x@zoho.com mailto:maor_x@zoho.com> wrote:
Hello Josh,
The WMF and the AffCom have decided not to disclose further
details of the very serious governance issues in order not to hurt
the movement and the reputation of the people involved. Please,
avoid misleading and adding drama to this situation -which is
already difficult, and damages the movement as a whole. WMPH was
given very specific recommendations of what do and what not to do,
but decided to go its own way.
M.
El 25/04/2017 a las 06:17 a.m., Josh Lim escribió:
If you folks seriously think that we weren’t being
“accountable”, then I have serious doubts about how this
process will remain sustainable.
I’m sorry, but this process has been exceedingly demotivating
for everyone involved. I’ve been trying to keep myself
composed throughout the entire process, but at this point I
simply cannot.
I will gladly admit that we’ve made mistakes, us more than
others. Every organization does. But I will not allow the
work that I’ve dedicated over a decade of my life to be thrown
out the window because we weren’t “accountable”. To the best
of our ability, we WERE accountable to our community and to
the movement. And I, frankly, feet that we were as
accountable as we could’ve been.
You may all want to know why I’ve been silent through this
entire process. It’s because I cannot, and I still cannot,
process the grief this entire process has brought upon
Wikimedia Philippines, and especially myself. I will try to
be optimistic about the future, as people have been telling me
to do, but at this point in time, at least have some respect
for the work that we’ve done over the last six years. That’s
really all I’m asking for at this point..
Thanks,
Josh
On Apr 23, 2017, at 9:41 PM, James Heilman
<jmh649@gmail.com mailto:jmh649@gmail.com
<mailto:jmh649@gmail.com mailto:jmh649@gmail.com>> wrote:
I second Itzik's comments. We need some degree of
accountability. Hopefully this will encourage groups in
the Philippines to become more active again.
James
On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Itzik - Wikimedia
Israel<itzik@wikimedia.org.il
<mailto:itzik@wikimedia.org.il
mailto:itzik@wikimedia.org.il>>wrote:
Thank you Maor for the update.
We usually love to see our movement expend and welcome
recognition of new
organizations, but I strongly believe that we
continuously need
to check
and evaluate our current organizations.
Our brand, name and reputation are part of our core
assets - and
while it's
not an easy step, I appreciate Affcom efforts not only to
recognize new
ones but also to de-recognize organizations that are
not longer
active or
non-compliance with our movement requirements.
Few weeks ago in Berlin we had a first meeting to
start discuses
what is a
"movement accountability" and how we evaluate
organizations who
operate
outside of the FDC process and I believe Affcom have a
significant part in
it.
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On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Maor Malul
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> *
>
> Dear all,
>
> *
>
> **
>
> *Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter,
thematic
organization,
> or user group - allows an independent group to
officially use
the Wikimedia
> name to further the Wikimedia mission, with certain
duties and
> responsibilities. While most Wikimedia affiliates
adhere to
the basic
> compliance standards set forth in their agreements
with the
Wikimedia
> Foundation, a protocol has been developed to address the
exceptional cases
> when a Wikimedia affiliate does not meet minimum
compliance
standards and
> their continued recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate
presents a
risk to the
> Wikimedia movement.*
>
> *
>
> On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Philippines was
notified of their
> suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long
standing and
serious
> governance issues, as well as non-compliance with
reporting
requirements
> which go as back as 2014, has been sent multiple
warnings
regarding them,
> and on the date mentioned above, was provided with
an explicit
list of
> tasks and deadlines in order to return to compliance
with their
chapter
> agreement. The chapter failed to complete these
tasks by the
deadline of
> November 28, 2016, and was consequently notified
that they
would no longer
> be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the
termination of
their Chapter
> Agreement on March 1, 2017. It is important to make
clear that the
> Affiliations Committee will continue to support
other organized
Wikimedia
> communities and their activities in the Philippines.
>
> If you have questions about what this means for the
community
members in
> their region or language areas, we have put together
a very
basic FAQ,
> which may be found at<https://meta.wikimedia.org/
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