Hello colleagues,
Please allow me to introduce User:Clovermoss https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Clovermoss. She volunteered to collaborate with me on writing this and future issues of *What's Making You Happy this Week?* and *The Signpost*'s "On the bright side".
Clovermoss is from Canada. She registered on English Wikipedia in September 2018, and she is a graduate of User:Nick Moyes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nick_Moyes' adoption program https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user. She recently made her 4,000th contribution.
Please treat Clovermoss as you would like to have been treated when you were new here.
*From Clovermoss*:
This week, I'm thankful that I am going to start collaborating with Pine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pine for *On The Bright Side*. I have been a fan of this *Signpost* feature for a long time and I'm excited to help make it happen. I'm also thankful for this photo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fall%C3%A4tsche_South_Moss_in_Autumn.jpg. I find that photographs of nature have a tendency to appeal to me, and I think that this one is stunning. I like moss for its unique texture and just for being something that exists. I adore the leaves that can be seen every autumn where I live, and I miss seeing them everywhere I go. However, I'm also thankful for the comforting aspects of winter: hot chocolate, candy canes, and the warmth at home.
*From Pine*:
I am grateful to Clovermoss for agreeing to collaborate. I think that readers will appreciate seeing a new perspective and a new writing style. Also, because I will spend less time writing *WMYHTW*, I think that I will be able to spend a little more time on the pilot phase of NavWiki https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Navwiki. NavWiki is progressing slowly but well.
The topic of writing reminds me of a video clip from *Star Trek: The Next Generation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation*. In this scene, Captain Jean-Luc Picard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Luc_Picard receives a visit from the alien "Q". Q is powerful and unpredictable. Here, he offers to help Picard with drafting a speech (Youtube link) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuyjhM1vL9I.
Finally, some thoughts about listening https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listening. Listening can be done casually, aggressively, carefully, poorly, well, and any number of other ways. Clovermoss appears to invest a lot of time and effort in listening. Captain Picard did too. The actor who portrayed Picard, Patrick Stewart https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Stewart, stated: https://www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/2019/07/everything-you-need-to-know-about-sir-patrick-stewarts-jean-luc-picard
"One of the things that I’ve come to understand is that as I talk a lot about Picard, what I find is I’m talking about myself. There was a sort of double action that occurred. In one sense Picard was expanding like this and at the same time he was also growing closer and closer to me as well and in some respect I suppose even had some influence on me. I became a better listener than I ever had been as a result of playing Jean-Luc Picard because it was one of the things that he does terrifically well."
*Closing comments*
What’s making you happy this week? You are welcome to write in any language. You are also welcome to start a WMYHTW thread next week.
Additional translations of the subject line of this email would be appreciated on Meta https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine/WMYHTW_translations. Thanks to User:Lucas_Werkmeister https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Lucas_Werkmeister for the German translation.
Best wishes, Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
I wrote a proposal to make it possible for templates on Wikimedia sites to be global. It's not a new idea; in fact, it has been requested since 2004, which, if I'm not mistaken, is also the year that templates became available in the first place. But I do think that my proposal to make the global is the most detailed ever.
Now, what makes me happy this week is that the short version of this proposal is now available in 12 languages, including the six official languages of the United Nations, which is nicely symbolic: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Global_templates/Proposed_specification,_shor...
Even though I wrote most of the original text, I really, really want this idea to be "owned" by the whole Wikimedia community and just by myself, so I'm glad that people are helping with translations, corrections, and comments, including negative comments. It is an important thing, and the more people participate in it, the better.
Happy new year! Let's make 2020 the year in which the first global modules will finally start appearing, and make the development of various community tools easier and more efficient for everyone. Cheers!
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
בתאריך יום ג׳, 31 בדצמ׳ 2019 ב-8:04 מאת Pine W <wiki.pine@gmail.com >:
Hello colleagues,
Please allow me to introduce User:Clovermoss https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Clovermoss. She volunteered to collaborate with me on writing this and future issues of *What's Making You Happy this Week?* and *The Signpost*'s "On the bright side".
Clovermoss is from Canada. She registered on English Wikipedia in September 2018, and she is a graduate of User:Nick Moyes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nick_Moyes' adoption program https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user. She recently made her 4,000th contribution.
Please treat Clovermoss as you would like to have been treated when you were new here.
*From Clovermoss*:
This week, I'm thankful that I am going to start collaborating with Pine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pine for *On The Bright Side*. I have been a fan of this *Signpost* feature for a long time and I'm excited to help make it happen. I'm also thankful for this photo < https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fall%C3%A4tsche_South_Moss_in_Autumn.jpg
.
I find that photographs of nature have a tendency to appeal to me, and I think that this one is stunning. I like moss for its unique texture and just for being something that exists. I adore the leaves that can be seen every autumn where I live, and I miss seeing them everywhere I go. However, I'm also thankful for the comforting aspects of winter: hot chocolate, candy canes, and the warmth at home.
*From Pine*:
I am grateful to Clovermoss for agreeing to collaborate. I think that readers will appreciate seeing a new perspective and a new writing style. Also, because I will spend less time writing *WMYHTW*, I think that I will be able to spend a little more time on the pilot phase of NavWiki https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Navwiki. NavWiki is progressing slowly but well.
The topic of writing reminds me of a video clip from *Star Trek: The Next Generation <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation
*.
In this scene, Captain Jean-Luc Picard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Luc_Picard receives a visit from the alien "Q". Q is powerful and unpredictable. Here, he offers to help Picard with drafting a speech (Youtube link) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuyjhM1vL9I.
Finally, some thoughts about listening https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listening. Listening can be done casually, aggressively, carefully, poorly, well, and any number of other ways. Clovermoss appears to invest a lot of time and effort in listening. Captain Picard did too. The actor who portrayed Picard, Patrick Stewart https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Stewart, stated: < https://www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/2019/07/everything-you-need-to-know-a...
"One of the things that I’ve come to understand is that as I talk a lot about Picard, what I find is I’m talking about myself. There was a sort of double action that occurred. In one sense Picard was expanding like this and at the same time he was also growing closer and closer to me as well and in some respect I suppose even had some influence on me. I became a better listener than I ever had been as a result of playing Jean-Luc Picard because it was one of the things that he does terrifically well."
*Closing comments*
What’s making you happy this week? You are welcome to write in any language. You are also welcome to start a WMYHTW thread next week.
Additional translations of the subject line of this email would be appreciated on Meta https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine/WMYHTW_translations. Thanks to User:Lucas_Werkmeister https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Lucas_Werkmeister for the German translation.
Best wishes, Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Hi Amir,
Two points to make to you:
A) Infoboxes can be standardized but the extension for it hasn’t yet been deployed [ https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T176793]
B) Global templates is a great idea. It’s done by Miraheze in a sketchy way but I’ll explain it. - create a template wiki - setup an interwiki with transclude set to on - set $wgEnableScaryTranscluding to true - place {{raw:Interwiki:Template Name}} where you want to use it.
More complex templates require more work and modules need to be shared etc etc
Cache will need to be properly purged but it will work.
RhinosF1
On Tue, 31 Dec 2019 at 16:21, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
I wrote a proposal to make it possible for templates on Wikimedia sites to be global. It's not a new idea; in fact, it has been requested since 2004, which, if I'm not mistaken, is also the year that templates became available in the first place. But I do think that my proposal to make the global is the most detailed ever.
Now, what makes me happy this week is that the short version of this proposal is now available in 12 languages, including the six official languages of the United Nations, which is nicely symbolic:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Global_templates/Proposed_specification,_shor...
Even though I wrote most of the original text, I really, really want this idea to be "owned" by the whole Wikimedia community and just by myself, so I'm glad that people are helping with translations, corrections, and comments, including negative comments. It is an important thing, and the more people participate in it, the better.
Happy new year! Let's make 2020 the year in which the first global modules will finally start appearing, and make the development of various community tools easier and more efficient for everyone. Cheers!
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
בתאריך יום ג׳, 31 בדצמ׳ 2019 ב-8:04 מאת Pine W <wiki.pine@gmail.com >:
Hello colleagues,
Please allow me to introduce User:Clovermoss https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Clovermoss. She volunteered to collaborate with me on writing this and future issues of *What's Making
You
Happy this Week?* and *The Signpost*'s "On the bright side".
Clovermoss is from Canada. She registered on English Wikipedia in
September
2018, and she is a graduate of User:Nick Moyes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nick_Moyes' adoption program https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user. She recently
made
her 4,000th contribution.
Please treat Clovermoss as you would like to have been treated when you were new here.
*From Clovermoss*:
This week, I'm thankful that I am going to start collaborating with Pine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pine for *On The Bright Side*. I
have
been a fan of this *Signpost* feature for a long time and I'm excited to help make it happen. I'm also thankful for this photo <
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fall%C3%A4tsche_South_Moss_in_Autumn.jpg
.
I find that photographs of nature have a tendency to appeal to me, and I think that this one is stunning. I like moss for its unique texture and just for being something that exists. I adore the leaves that can be seen every autumn where I live, and I miss seeing them everywhere I go.
However,
I'm also thankful for the comforting aspects of winter: hot chocolate, candy canes, and the warmth at home.
*From Pine*:
I am grateful to Clovermoss for agreeing to collaborate. I think that readers will appreciate seeing a new perspective and a new writing style. Also, because I will spend less time writing *WMYHTW*, I think that I
will
be able to spend a little more time on the pilot phase of NavWiki https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Navwiki. NavWiki is progressing slowly but well.
The topic of writing reminds me of a video clip from *Star Trek: The Next Generation <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation
*.
In this scene, Captain Jean-Luc Picard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Luc_Picard receives a visit from
the
alien "Q". Q is powerful and unpredictable. Here, he offers to help
Picard
with drafting a speech (Youtube link) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuyjhM1vL9I.
Finally, some thoughts about listening https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listening. Listening can be done
casually,
aggressively, carefully, poorly, well, and any number of other ways. Clovermoss appears to invest a lot of time and effort in listening.
Captain
Picard did too. The actor who portrayed Picard, Patrick Stewart https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Stewart, stated: <
https://www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/2019/07/everything-you-need-to-know-a...
"One of the things that I’ve come to understand is that as I talk a lot about Picard, what I find is I’m talking about myself. There was a sort
of
double action that occurred. In one sense Picard was expanding like this and at the same time he was also growing closer and closer to me as well and in some respect I suppose even had some influence on me. I became a better listener than I ever had been as a result of playing Jean-Luc
Picard
because it was one of the things that he does terrifically well."
*Closing comments*
What’s making you happy this week? You are welcome to write in any language. You are also welcome to start a WMYHTW thread next week.
Additional translations of the subject line of this email would be appreciated on Meta https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine/WMYHTW_translations. Thanks
to
User:Lucas_Werkmeister https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Lucas_Werkmeister for the German translation.
Best wishes, Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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בתאריך יום ד׳, 1 בינו׳ 2020, 03:46, מאת RhinosF1 - rhinosf1@gmail.com:
Hi Amir,
Two points to make to you:
A) Infoboxes can be standardized but the extension for it hasn’t yet been deployed [ https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T176793]
If it gets deployed, I'll be very happy!
B) Global templates is a great idea. It’s done by Miraheze in a sketchy way but I’ll explain it.
- create a template wiki
- setup an interwiki with transclude set to on
- set $wgEnableScaryTranscluding to true
- place {{raw:Interwiki:Template Name}} where you want to use it.
Thanks! Can you please bring this up at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Global_templates/Proposed_specification ?
Hi Amir,
I’ll bring it up soon for you.
Regarding the extension, it would be fantastic if someone could update on that as it’s been waiting a while now.
RhinosF1
On Wed, 1 Jan 2020 at 11:23, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
בתאריך יום ד׳, 1 בינו׳ 2020, 03:46, מאת RhinosF1 - rhinosf1@gmail.com:
Hi Amir,
Two points to make to you:
A) Infoboxes can be standardized but the extension for it hasn’t yet been deployed [ https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T176793]
If it gets deployed, I'll be very happy!
B) Global templates is a great idea. It’s done by Miraheze in a sketchy
way
but I’ll explain it.
- create a template wiki
- setup an interwiki with transclude set to on
- set $wgEnableScaryTranscluding to true
- place {{raw:Interwiki:Template Name}} where you want to use it.
Thanks! Can you please bring this up at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Global_templates/Proposed_specification ? _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
On Wed, 1 Jan 2020 at 12:23, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Global_templates/Proposed_specification
That's very serious work, Amir, thank you for investing all the effort!
I'd also love to see this come to fruition. While making a dark-mode theme https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Aron_Manning/Skin_themes#Screenshots for Wikipedia I've noticed the ad-hoc nature of Templates, each using their own hardcoded styling. It is very inefficient to override these styles both in terms of the browser's workload and the developer's effort to collect each case that needs coloring. Actually, it's hardly possible - or it would take forever - to collect all cases; there's always a page left with some unreadable (bright on bright) text. Color inversion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Volker_E._(WMF)/dark-mode can handle all cases, but the result is not as pleasant as colors chosen specifically for the purpose. Templates need to use standard styles (similar to those on Wikiversity https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css/Colors.css) to make product-quality theming possible. With global templates transitioning to the use of standard css classes would be worthwhile.
Another idea: a template editor can be created that parses the long stream of double "{{" and triple "{{{" curly braces and presents the template pretty-printed (reflecting the structure) with different, more readable delimiters like "❮❯", "«»", "‹›" (example https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Aron_Manning/Template_editor#Pretty-printing_templates ). That would make editing a bit easier and less error-prone. I wonder what tools template editors use. Editing this: "<noinclude>{{lorem ipsum}}</noinclude>}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}{{#if:{{{sign|}}}{{{cite|}}}{{{author|}}}" seems humanly impossible.
Aron
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
בתאריך יום ד׳, 1 בינו׳ 2020 ב-18:10 מאת Aron Manning < aronmanning5@gmail.com>:
On Wed, 1 Jan 2020 at 12:23, Amir E. Aharoni <amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il
wrote:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Global_templates/Proposed_specification
That's very serious work, Amir, thank you for investing all the effort!
Thank you! :)
There are great points in the rest of your email. Can you please bring them up at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Global_templates/Proposed_specification ? I don't want to go too off-topic here :)
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