Hello all,
I am working on a Deletopedia for the history of Kosovo,
to put them into the althistory wikia.
http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/History_of_Kosovo_(Albanian_Version)
for this purpose I would like to have access to the Deleted page and revision data. (private)
From the database dumps.
I don't need all of the versions, just one.
I don't need all the articles, just the kosovo related ones.
Thanks, mike
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 6:16 PM, jamesmikedupont@googlemail.com jamesmikedupont@googlemail.com wrote:
Hello all,
I am working on a Deletopedia for the history of Kosovo,
to put them into the althistory wikia.
http://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/History_of_Kosovo_(Albanian_Version)
Treating Albanian nationalist POV as a fictional world is the best way how to explain to Serbian nationalists that they are right :P (Wikinfo is the right place for that.)
Milos Writes :
Treating Albanian nationalist POV as a fictional world is the best way how to explain to Serbian nationalists that they are right :P (Wikinfo is the right place for that.)
Well I do not want to make any judgements on right or wrong, fiction or fact.
But I do not have a consolidated version of the "Albanian nationalist POV", and I think that providing a POV specific set of article will attract more editors and create a documentation of the POV.
It is in fact hard to get the "straight" story on alot of things and I feel that it would be great to collect all the deleted materials about this topic into a new set of articles would encourage people to reflect more.
There are two arguments here :
1. The main argument from rational people is that much of the references have been destroyed and the people could not write books or publish the facts about thier history being an occupied peoples for so many years.
2. The counterargument is that is it not factual at all, but propaganda.
I would at least like to present a solid set of "so called facts" or at least a conherent set of stories that are told. The verbal history of kosovo that I have heard so often, but not seen written down. Maybe the people would be able to reflect on it better if they can work on it.
I have met many people who see wikipedia as not having a NPOV, but then that is used as an argument to not contribute.
And if we could create a way for these people to contribute the truth as they see it, then eventually we will have helped people learn to use wikis, share knowledge and they can contribute to other projects as well.
Also, you have to see that many people are just writing down what they learned from school textbooks and it will be interesting to have this all documented in a solid way.
Ok, well that is my point. I am happy to put this on a different wiki, or a wikibook if needed. I was thinking that a wikibook might be the best place, until I found the althistory.
thanks, mike
In case it is not clear, I would like a copy of this file :
http://download.wikimedia.org/enwiki/20090929/ # 2009-09-29 02:50:45 done Deleted page and revision data. (private)
For the purposes of extracted the kosovo related data from it, to create a POV specific collection of wikipedia material for the further promotion of free knowledge and culture.
I will not post anyones private data, or post any articles that are out of scope.
My approach will be to review the artlcles and select authors and ones that I feel relevant.
thanks, mike
On 06/10/2009, at 9:54 AM, jamesmikedupont@googlemail.com wrote:
In case it is not clear, I would like a copy of this file :
http://download.wikimedia.org/enwiki/20090929/ # 2009-09-29 02:50:45 done Deleted page and revision data. (private)
For the purposes of extracted the kosovo related data from it, to create a POV specific collection of wikipedia material for the further promotion of free knowledge and culture.
I will not post anyones private data, or post any articles that are out of scope.
My approach will be to review the artlcles and select authors and ones that I feel relevant.
As I've told you on IRC, there is absolutely no chance of you getting hold of that particular data file, especially not with the purpose of publishing parts of it.
There might be other options for you to get hold of what you need without us handing you every revision ever deleted on English Wikipedia (which includes numerous revisions which are damaging to users' privacy).
-- Andrew Garrett agarrett@wikimedia.org http://werdn.us/
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Andrew Garrett agarrett@wikimedia.org wrote:
As I've told you on IRC, there is absolutely no chance of you getting hold of that particular data file, especially not with the purpose of publishing parts of it.
Thats understandable.
There might be other options for you to get hold of what you need without us handing you every revision ever deleted on English Wikipedia (which includes numerous revisions which are damaging to users' privacy).
Also I have started a petition for the owners of the articles to all request that their articles are made available.
http://undeletewikipedia.blogspot.com/2009/10/clarity-in-petition.html
Basically all I would like are the NPOV and the non notable deletes of the users who opt in to my petition.
I will just start with the articles that have not been deleted, and work with the deleted contents from the existing revisions. The data for existing articles that has been culled out should be a good starting point. When we have a list of all the editors from a certain POV, and they have all asked for thier deleted data then we should have the needed material.
thanks,
mike
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:36 AM, jamesmikedupont@googlemail.com jamesmikedupont@googlemail.com wrote:
Milos Writes :
Treating Albanian nationalist POV as a fictional world is the best way how to explain to Serbian nationalists that they are right :P (Wikinfo is the right place for that.)
Well I do not want to make any judgements on right or wrong, fiction or fact.
But I do not have a consolidated version of the "Albanian nationalist POV", and I think that providing a POV specific set of article will attract more editors and create a documentation of the POV.
I think that all documentation may be useful somehow, too. The point is related to using althistory.wikia for that purpose :)
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
is related to using althistory.wikia for that purpose :)
Maybe that choice was bad. A wikibook would be better.
mike
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 11:00 AM, jamesmikedupont@googlemail.com jamesmikedupont@googlemail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
is related to using althistory.wikia for that purpose :)
Maybe that choice was bad. A wikibook would be better.
No. Wikibook is the place for NPOV manuals. Wikinfo (http://www.wikinfo.org/) allows multiple POVs.
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