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Olli

31 Oct 2009 31 Oct '09

4:19 p.m.

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Olli <ollinpostit(a)gmail.com> Date: 2009/10/31 Subject: Wikipedia christmas calendar? To: translators-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org What about a wikipedia christmas calendar? It can maybe preview some articles or something similar. Then it can be multilingual. What do you think? Olli *(am I using wrong mailing list?)*

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Ray Saintonge

31 Oct 31 Oct

5:09 p.m.

Olli wrote:

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Date: 2009/10/31 Subject: Wikipedia christmas calendar? What about a wikipedia christmas calendar? It can maybe preview some articles or something similar. Then it can be multilingual.

Not necessarily just Christmas, but a published calendar for the whole year. Wikipedia's date articles are already full of weitd and wonderful things that happened on this day in history. Ec

Magnus Manske

2 Nov 2 Nov

2:22 p.m.

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Ray Saintonge <saintonge(a)telus.net> wrote:

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Olli wrote:

Date: 2009/10/31 Subject: Wikipedia christmas calendar? What about a wikipedia christmas calendar? It can maybe preview some articles or something similar. Then it can be multilingual.

Not necessarily just Christmas, but a published calendar for the whole year. Wikipedia's date articles are already full of weitd and wonderful things that happened on this day in history.

Or, have a new calender generated automatically on each page reload: http://toolserver.org/~magnus/wikilendar.php?month=11&year=2009 (takes a few seconds to parse all these pages and check for suitable images) Cheers, Magnus

Thomas Dalton

4:54 p.m.

2009/11/2 Magnus Manske <magnusmanske(a)googlemail.com>om>:

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On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Ray Saintonge <saintonge(a)telus.net> wrote:

Olli wrote:

Date: 2009/10/31 Subject: Wikipedia christmas calendar? What about a wikipedia christmas calendar? It can maybe preview some articles or something similar. Then it can be multilingual.

Not necessarily just Christmas, but a published calendar for the whole year. Wikipedia's date articles are already full of weitd and wonderful things that happened on this day in history.

I think a human selected calendar would be better for actually publishing, but that's certainly a fun script. Can you add an option to choose a category so we can have a calendar of Britons, or French, or mathematicians, or military people, etc.? One bug: I got a graph of Imran Khan's bowling statistics rather than his portrait...

Magnus Manske

4:58 p.m.

On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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2009/11/2 Magnus Manske <magnusmanske(a)googlemail.com>om>:

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Ray Saintonge <saintonge(a)telus.net> wrote:

Olli wrote:

Date: 2009/10/31 Subject: Wikipedia christmas calendar? What about a wikipedia christmas calendar? It can maybe preview some articles or something similar. Then it can be multilingual.

Not necessarily just Christmas, but a published calendar for the whole year. Wikipedia's date articles are already full of weitd and wonderful things that happened on this day in history.

I could limit the articles used to a ceratin category, but IMHO that would restrict the search too much, that is, either no or a few possible candidates per day.

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One bug: I got a graph of Imran Khan's bowling statistics rather than his portrait...

And if you give me code to identify a person's image, I'll be happy to implement it, as would the NSA. As it stands, I chose a random article from e.g. [[November 2]], then chose a random picture from that. Cheers, Magnus

Thomas Dalton

5:03 p.m.

2009/11/2 Magnus Manske <magnusmanske(a)googlemail.com>om>:

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I could limit the articles used to a ceratin category, but IMHO that would restrict the search too much, that is, either no or a few possible candidates per day.

For large categories, like nationalities, it would probably work. For smaller categories you would need to decide what to do with gaps.

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One bug: I got a graph of Imran Khan's bowling statistics rather than his portrait...

Try the image in the infobox if there is one.

Magnus Manske

5:10 p.m.

On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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2009/11/2 Magnus Manske <magnusmanske(a)googlemail.com>om>:

I could limit the articles used to a ceratin category, but IMHO that would restrict the search too much, that is, either no or a few possible candidates per day.

For large categories, like nationalities, it would probably work. For smaller categories you would need to decide what to do with gaps.

One bug: I got a graph of Imran Khan's bowling statistics rather than his portrait...

Try the image in the infobox if there is one.

So, either a HTML parser or a new MediaWiki parser to get at the <img>/variable. Tough choice there :-)

Andrew Gray

5:31 p.m.

2009/11/2 Magnus Manske <magnusmanske(a)googlemail.com>om>:

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One bug: I got a graph of Imran Khan's bowling statistics rather than his portrait...

Olli

5:36 p.m.

suggestions: 1 =You should add option to select what country (what wikipedia (fi, en, sv...)) 2 = Calendr should be like right calendar 3 = Other languages (translation possiblity) Olli 2009/11/2 Andrew Gray <andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk>

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2009/11/2 Magnus Manske <magnusmanske(a)googlemail.com>om>:

One bug: I got a graph of Imran Khan's bowling statistics rather than his portrait...

First image is probably your best bet - the odds are reasonably high it'll be a picture, or something else "representative", in the conventional top-right slot. Certainly better odds than random selection! -- - Andrew Gray andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Nikola Smolenski

6:34 p.m.

Дана Monday 02 November 2009 18:31:50 Andrew Gray написа:

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First image could easily be an icon.

Nikola Smolenski

3 Nov 3 Nov

7:44 a.m.

Magnus Manske wrote:

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One bug: I got a graph of Imran Khan's bowling statistics rather than his portrait...

And if you give me code to identify a person's image, I'll be happy to implement it, as would the NSA. As it stands, I chose a random article

Google image search has it, so it's not that complex. Not that I suggest you should implement it in PHP :)

Waldir Pimenta

7:51 a.m.

Nikola Smolenski wrote:

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Magnus Manske wrote:

One bug: I got a graph of Imran Khan's bowling statistics rather than his portrait...

And if you give me code to identify a person's image, I'll be happy to implement it, as would the NSA. As it stands, I chose a random article

Google image search has it, so it's not that complex. Not that I suggest you should implement it in PHP :)

Tomasz Ganicz

9:16 a.m.

2009/10/31 Olli <ollinpostit(a)gmail.com>om>:

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Last year we have created such a calendar: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kalendarz_Wikimedia_2009.pdf It uses Common's pictures of the month + some Wikipedia related events + Polish Wikipedian's nicknames placed in the days where they have their birthday :-) -- Tomek "Polimerek" Ganicz http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/ http://www.ptchem.lodz.pl/en/TomaszGanicz.html

Neil Harris

12:13 p.m.

Waldir Pimenta wrote:

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Nikola Smolenski wrote:

Magnus Manske wrote:

One bug: I got a graph of Imran Khan's bowling statistics rather than his portrait...

And if you give me code to identify a person's image, I'll be happy to implement it, as would the NSA. As it stands, I chose a random article

Google image search has it, so it's not that complex. Not that I suggest you should implement it in PHP :)

It *is* complex. Yes, it's not impossible; yes, it's been done. But that doesn't mean it's simple or easy. Btw, Magnus, thanks for building that demo. It's great for putting this idea in perspective! :) _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

There's a review of the state of the art in face detection at http://vision.ai.uiuc.edu/mhyang/face-detection-survey.html , if you are looking for ideas for algorithms. -- Neil

Anthony

2:19 p.m.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:51 AM, Waldir Pimenta <waldir(a)email.com> wrote:

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Nikola Smolenski wrote:

Magnus Manske wrote:

One bug: I got a graph of Imran Khan's bowling statistics rather than his portrait...

And if you give me code to identify a person's image, I'll be happy to implement it, as would the NSA. As it stands, I chose a random article

Google image search has it, so it's not that complex. Not that I suggest you should implement it in PHP :)

It *is* complex. Yes, it's not impossible; yes, it's been done. But that doesn't mean it's simple or easy.

Are you talking about face detection or facial recognition? The former is implemented in some cell phones. It's "not that complex". The latter is more cutting edge, though surely the NSA has a good implementation of it (as do many casinos). Selecting pictures of people as opposed to bowling statistics would be the former, right?

Magnus Manske

2:37 p.m.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Anthony <wikimail(a)inbox.org> wrote:

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OK, so shouldn't we run this against all of Commons, then? If we could offer "show me only pictures of people" as a checkbox in search, that would surely be appreciated (and useful for the calendar thingy as well;-) Cheers, Magnus

Nikola Smolenski

2:56 p.m.

Magnus Manske wrote:

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The link that Neil posted led me to http://opencv.willowgarage.com/wiki/FaceDetection and that in turn led me to http://www.xarg.org/project/php-facedetect/ - this isn't as impossible as it seemed to be a few minutes ago! :)

Anthony

5:34 p.m.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Magnus Manske <magnusmanske(a)googlemail.com> wrote:

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On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Anthony <wikimail(a)inbox.org> wrote:

OK, so shouldn't we run this against all of Commons, then?

As long as you don't set up a bot to add categories without checking the results manually, sure. IMO any automated results are better kept in a specialized database because they'll likely be changing rapidly. Maybe on the toolserver.

Thomas Dalton

6:43 p.m.

2009/11/2 Nikola Smolenski <smolensk(a)eunet.rs>rs>:

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Дана Monday 02 November 2009 18:31:50 Andrew Gray написа:

First image could easily be an icon.

How about first image more than 50px (or whatever) wide?

Andrew Gray

6:53 p.m.

2009/11/2 Nikola Smolenski <smolensk(a)eunet.rs>rs>:

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Дана Monday 02 November 2009 18:31:50 Andrew Gray написа:

First image could easily be an icon.

Mmm, true. "First image directly invoked in the wikitext", or something, I guess. I'm not sure how the standard popups select their image, but that seems a fairly efficient method to look at - it fails sometimes, but in the cases where it fails there's rarely a better image it *should* have used. -- - Andrew Gray andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk

Magnus Manske

4 Nov 4 Nov

12:20 p.m.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Andrew Gray <andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk> wrote:

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2009/11/2 Nikola Smolenski <smolensk(a)eunet.rs>rs>:

Дана Monday 02 November 2009 18:31:50 Andrew Gray написа:

First image could easily be an icon.

Mmm, true. "First image directly invoked in the wikitext", or something, I guess.

So, no images from infoboxes, then. (Except those few that actually require [[File:..]]). Cheers, Magnus

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