Hi,
Has Odder / Tomasz Kozłowski been put on moderation?
I'm informed his emails sent to this list havent come through to the list for nearly 24 hrs, and he has not been notified of having been put on any moderation, and the moderators havent responded to queries sent directly, and havent actioned these moderated emails (deny or approve, doesnt matter) for almost a day.
On 12/08/14 11:23, John Mark Vandenberg wrote:
Hi,
Has Odder / Tomasz Kozłowski been put on moderation?
I'm informed his emails sent to this list havent come through to the list for nearly 24 hrs, and he has not been notified of having been put on any moderation, and the moderators havent responded to queries sent directly, and havent actioned these moderated emails (deny or approve, doesnt matter) for almost a day.
Yes, according to the mailman admin interface, he's on moderation. There are no pending moderator requests for wikimedia-l.
-- Tim Starling
Thx Tim.
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 8:40 PM, Tim Starling tstarling@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 12/08/14 11:23, John Mark Vandenberg wrote:
Hi,
Has Odder / Tomasz Kozłowski been put on moderation?
I'm informed his emails sent to this list havent come through to the list for nearly 24 hrs, and he has not been notified of having been put on any moderation, and the moderators havent responded to queries sent directly, and havent actioned these moderated emails (deny or approve, doesnt matter) for almost a day.
Yes, according to the mailman admin interface, he's on moderation. There are no pending moderator requests for wikimedia-l.
-- Tim Starling
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Yes, I temporarily placed Tomasz on moderation after his personal attacks on the list. I apologize for apparently not making this clear enough with my on-list warning.
I spent most of yesterday afternoon traveling home from Wikimania, and have not seen any messages from him since. As the admin queue is empty, I can only conclude that they were dealt with by another person with access to the administrator interface.
Austin
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:23 AM, John Mark Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Has Odder / Tomasz Kozłowski been put on moderation?
I'm informed his emails sent to this list havent come through to the list for nearly 24 hrs, and he has not been notified of having been put on any moderation, and the moderators havent responded to queries sent directly, and havent actioned these moderated emails (deny or approve, doesnt matter) for almost a day.
-- John Vandenberg
On 12/08/2014, John Mark Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com wrote: ...
I'm informed his emails sent to this list havent come through to the list for nearly 24 hrs, and he has not been notified of having been put on any moderation, and the moderators havent responded to queries sent directly, and havent actioned these moderated emails (deny or approve, doesnt matter) for almost a day.
For those interested defining best practices for our email list moderators, there is an open discussion about the options at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mailing_lists/Guidelines#Second_attempt_... Please do contribute.
Current working practices on lists include never being informed that it happened and never getting a reply to a polite request of why the moderation is in place, along with there being no possibility of appeal or timely review. More complex issues, such as moderators taking action on participants with whom they are actively involved in disputes, are not covered by any current guideline.
Fae
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
Current working practices on lists include never being informed that it happened and never getting a reply to a polite request of why the moderation is in place, along with there being no possibility of appeal or timely review. More complex issues, such as moderators taking action on participants with whom they are actively involved in disputes, are not covered by any current guideline.
I do have to dispute this. While I did not explicitly say "I have set your moderation bit," and in retrospect should have, I believe that there's a fairly obvious conclusion to be drawn when a list administrator tells you that your behavior is unacceptable and your next message is not immediately posted.
What I take the most issue with is that, contrary to what John has said, I did not receive a single request—polite or otherwise—from Tomasz directly, or (so far as gmail's search function can determine) any inquiry at all regarding moderation prior to John's e-mail to the list.
The matter was clarified within minutes of it being brought to my attention. I don't know what, if not that, constitutes "timely review" for you, Fae.
Austin
Hi Austin,
My wording was carefully chosen, but probably not obvious enough. I used "working practices on lists", I was not actually referring to *this* list where working practices are now, in my opinion, better than many others.
In fact, it would be great if you could spend time on the meta page previously linked, suggesting what good practices you use here that might help run other lists in a more mellow fashion.
Thanks, Fae
On 12/08/2014, Austin Hair adhair@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
Current working practices on lists include never being informed that it happened and never getting a reply to a polite request of why the moderation is in place, along with there being no possibility of appeal or timely review. More complex issues, such as moderators taking action on participants with whom they are actively involved in disputes, are not covered by any current guideline.
I do have to dispute this. While I did not explicitly say "I have set your moderation bit," and in retrospect should have, I believe that there's a fairly obvious conclusion to be drawn when a list administrator tells you that your behavior is unacceptable and your next message is not immediately posted.
What I take the most issue with is that, contrary to what John has said, I did not receive a single request—polite or otherwise—from Tomasz directly, or (so far as gmail's search function can determine) any inquiry at all regarding moderation prior to John's e-mail to the list.
The matter was clarified within minutes of it being brought to my attention. I don't know what, if not that, constitutes "timely review" for you, Fae.
Austin
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I'm an administrator for a few lists and personally I feel you are being far far too generic in saying lists are not managed correctly. A process is not broken here just a users understanding. Document don't argue regarding processes.
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On 12/08/14 20:23, John Mark Vandenberg wrote:
Hi,
Has Odder / Tomasz Kozłowski been put on moderation?
Yes.
I'm informed his emails sent to this list havent come through to the list for nearly 24 hrs, and he has not been notified of having been put on any moderation, and the moderators havent responded to queries sent directly, and havent actioned these moderated emails (deny or approve, doesnt matter) for almost a day.
I approved one. I discarded one as it had no new content.
Regards, Richard.
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