Erik Möller wrote:
It's [Flow is] a system in early development, and has never been
advertised as anything else.
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*This statement is simply not true.*
See the WMF's 2014-15 annual plan: https://archive.org/details/WikimediaFoundation2014-15AnnualPlan
Page 20 (DIRECT QUOTE FOLLOWS):
*FLOW*
* Current state (June 2014): Flow is an experimental but already feature rich alternative to talk pages which can be enabled by WMF on a per-page basis and is currently used in production on a small number of 'real world' pages, including a couple of WikiProjects and feedback pages for new features.
*Key Milestones*
* We will aim to cover one major set of new deployments per quarter, carefully picking use cases. Example use cases may include: additional WikiProjects, shared conversation spaces like Teahouse and Village Pump, entire wikis willing to switch to Flow, etc. Success will be reflected in adoption/participation metrics, targeting improved participation dynamics relative to talk pages. * By the end of the fiscal year [i.e. June 30, 2015 --t.d.], we expect to cover one major use case thoroughly (e.g. all user talk pages, all Village Pump type pages, etc.) * By the end of the fiscal year [i.e. June 30, 2015. --t.d.], the team will be a multi-device team, ready to maintain and develop the user experience for phones, tablets, and desktops.
(END QUOTE)
It is shocking to see an assertion from WMF's VP of Engineering and Product Development that Flow has been consistently portrayed by WMF as nothing more than "a system in early development." In actual fact, it has been portrayed as more or less finished software heading for a rollout in the near future, as the above clearly illustrates.
Tim Davenport "Carrite" on En-WP /// "Randy from Boise" on WPO Corvallis, OR (USA)
Tim, I read that a bit differently.
"Flow is an *experimental* but already feature rich alternative..."
"We will aim to cover one major set of new deployments per quarter, *carefully picking use cases*."
This looks to me like the kind of incremental rollout that is appropriate. The idea of users opting into Flow on their personal talk pages would also be a good development for testing purposes.
I think Lila may also have some ideas about how to stage rollouts and integrate user feedback into the development process early and often.
Pine
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 8:34 PM, Tim Davenport shoehutch@gmail.com wrote:
Erik Möller wrote:
It's [Flow is] a system in early development, and has never been
advertised as anything else.
======
*This statement is simply not true.*
See the WMF's 2014-15 annual plan: https://archive.org/details/WikimediaFoundation2014-15AnnualPlan
Page 20 (DIRECT QUOTE FOLLOWS):
*FLOW*
- Current state (June 2014): Flow is an experimental but already feature
rich alternative to talk pages which can be enabled by WMF on a per-page basis and is currently used in production on a small number of 'real world' pages, including a couple of WikiProjects and feedback pages for new features.
*Key Milestones*
- We will aim to cover one major set of new deployments per quarter,
carefully picking use cases. Example use cases may include: additional WikiProjects, shared conversation spaces like Teahouse and Village Pump, entire wikis willing to switch to Flow, etc. Success will be reflected in adoption/participation metrics, targeting improved participation dynamics relative to talk pages.
- By the end of the fiscal year [i.e. June 30, 2015 --t.d.], we expect to
cover one major use case thoroughly (e.g. all user talk pages, all Village Pump type pages, etc.)
- By the end of the fiscal year [i.e. June 30, 2015. --t.d.], the team will
be a multi-device team, ready to maintain and develop the user experience for phones, tablets, and desktops.
(END QUOTE)
It is shocking to see an assertion from WMF's VP of Engineering and Product Development that Flow has been consistently portrayed by WMF as nothing more than "a system in early development." In actual fact, it has been portrayed as more or less finished software heading for a rollout in the near future, as the above clearly illustrates.
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