Hey guys
So, on Thursday we're going to be holding an Office Hours session on IRC to discuss the Article Feedback Tool and what we're planning to do with it - namely, scrapping it and replacing it with an entirely new version ;). Attending will be Fabrice Florin, the contractor leading development on the new version, Howie Fung, the WMF's product manager, and myself. If you're interested in the AFT, whether because you think the existing version is good or because you think it's really bad, we'd love for you to attend - every opinion and viewpoint is welcome. The session will be held in #wikimedia-office at 19:00 GMT/UTC, and I hope to see a lot of you there :).
Thanks
Oliver Keyes Community Liason, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation
On 26 October 2011 11:04, Oliver Keyes scire.facias@gmail.com wrote:
So, on Thursday we're going to be holding an Office Hours session on IRC to discuss the Article Feedback Tool and what we're planning to do with it - namely, scrapping it and replacing it with an entirely new version ;).
*slaps own forehead*
So is the data to be thrown away too?
(Is there anywhere to look up the data en masse?)
- d.
No, the data will remain; you can find it at http://toolserver.org/~catrope/articlefeedback/ (we really need to advertise that more widely, actually).
To be clear, we're not talking about junking the idea; we will still have an "Article Feedback Tool" that lets readers provide feedback to editors. The goal is more to move away from a subjective rating system, and towards something the editors can look at and go "huh, that's a reasonable suggestion as to how to fix the article, I'll go do that" or "aw, that's really nice! I'm glad they liked it so much"
O.
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:09 AM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 26 October 2011 11:04, Oliver Keyes scire.facias@gmail.com wrote:
So, on Thursday we're going to be holding an Office Hours session on IRC
to
discuss the Article Feedback Tool and what we're planning to do with it - namely, scrapping it and replacing it with an entirely new version ;).
*slaps own forehead*
So is the data to be thrown away too?
(Is there anywhere to look up the data en masse?)
- d.
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On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 3:11 AM, Oliver Keyes scire.facias@gmail.com wrote:
To be clear, we're not talking about junking the idea; we will still have an "Article Feedback Tool" that lets readers provide feedback to editors. The goal is more to move away from a subjective rating system, and towards something the editors can look at and go "huh, that's a reasonable suggestion as to how to fix the article, I'll go do that" or "aw, that's really nice! I'm glad they liked it so much"
And, the idea is to experiment with some alternative approaches in parallel with the existing deployment, not to scrap the existing deployment and start over immediately. We don't know yet which reader feedback mechanisms are going to be the most useful to meet the two core objectives (engaging readers as much and as usefully as possible in article development, and measuring change-over-time in quality). Initial wireframes to be tested against each other can be found here:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Article_feedback/Version_5/Feature_Requirement...
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:09, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
*slaps own forehead*
So is the data to be thrown away too?
(Is there anywhere to look up the data en masse?)
It's all on the Toolserver and should be in the dumps too.
If you have any specific requirements for retrieving certain subsets of the data, do ask and someone with Toolserver access can run queries against the data and provide the results.
The AFT v.4 data is documented here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Article_feedback/Data
Dario
On Oct 26, 2011, at 5:53 AM, Tom Morris wrote:
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:09, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
*slaps own forehead*
So is the data to be thrown away too?
(Is there anywhere to look up the data en masse?)
It's all on the Toolserver and should be in the dumps too.
If you have any specific requirements for retrieving certain subsets of the data, do ask and someone with Toolserver access can run queries against the data and provide the results.
-- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/
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On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 11:04:23 +0100, Oliver Keyes scire.facias@gmail.com wrote:
Hey guys
So, on Thursday we're going to be holding an Office Hours session on IRC
to
discuss the Article Feedback Tool and what we're planning to do with it
-
namely, scrapping it and replacing it with an entirely new version ;). Attending will be Fabrice Florin, the contractor leading development on
the
new version, Howie Fung, the WMF's product manager, and myself. If
you're
interested in the AFT, whether because you think the existing version is good or because you think it's really bad, we'd love for you to attend - every opinion and viewpoint is welcome. The session will be held in #wikimedia-office at 19:00 GMT/UTC, and I hope to see a lot of you there :).
I personally can not attend but I guess there are many users interested in the topic, and some brief update on a dedicated Meta page (or even publication of the IRC log) would be much appreciated.
Cheers Yaroslav
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter putevod@mccme.ruwrote:
I personally can not attend but I guess there are many users interested in the topic, and some brief update on a dedicated Meta page (or even publication of the IRC log) would be much appreciated.
Cheers Yaroslav
Sure; we're sticking some content up at the moment, and I'll be sure to
log the hours (and then stick them up at the usual location
Oliver
On 26 October 2011 06:04, Oliver Keyes scire.facias@gmail.com wrote:
Hey guys
So, on Thursday we're going to be holding an Office Hours session on IRC ..<snip>...The session will be held in #wikimedia-office at 19:00 GMT/UTC, and I hope to see a lot of you there :).
I realise that sometimes it is a challenge to arrange these Office Hours in a more spread out way; however, of the last five sessions (including this one), four of them have occurred at a time that severely limits participation from North and South American editors, as they come during our "business day". This particular topic area is very much of interest to our N/S American editors who work on projects where the Article Feedback Tool is in use and has raised concerns, and ones where the "new and improved" version will be placed.
I'd very much urge trying to spread out the time of Office Hours generally. I'd also like to suggest consideration be given to doing a "double" office hour session for topic areas that impact projects globally and involve editors from just about every time zone. Reading IRC "minutes" is not the same as being involved in the discussion.
Thanks!
Risker
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
On 26 October 2011 06:04, Oliver Keyes scire.facias@gmail.com wrote:
Hey guys
So, on Thursday we're going to be holding an Office Hours session on IRC ..<snip>...The session will be held in #wikimedia-office at 19:00 GMT/UTC, and I hope to see a lot of you there :).
I realise that sometimes it is a challenge to arrange these Office Hours in a more spread out way; however, of the last five sessions (including this one), four of them have occurred at a time that severely limits participation from North and South American editors, as they come during our "business day". This particular topic area is very much of interest to our N/S American editors who work on projects where the Article Feedback Tool is in use and has raised concerns, and ones where the "new and improved" version will be placed.
I'd very much urge trying to spread out the time of Office Hours generally. I'd also like to suggest consideration be given to doing a "double" office hour session for topic areas that impact projects globally and involve editors from just about every time zone. Reading IRC "minutes" is not the same as being involved in the discussion.
Thanks!
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That's certainly true - I'll see if we can hold a second and more N/SA orientated one next week :).
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