hello Pine,

Did you have a look at the events team manager job description? It is an open position, so there is currently nobody at the wmf to answer your question. For me the concept of 'event' is broader than the range of conferences you described. Would you consider yourself as a candidate for the position. Wpuld you consider me?

greetings,

Ad

Op zo 4 nov. 2018 20:58 schreef Pine W <wiki.pine@gmail.com:

Hello,

My request from September has gone unanswered, so I am trying again. I don't think that there is a single point of contact for conference funding and strategy at WMF, but I think that there should be, and perhaps the lack of such a person is why there hasn't been a response to this email. I don't know who I should ping but I'm hoping that Katy can provide at least a partial response, or direct this email to someone who can do so.

Thanks,

Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 5:55 PM Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:

...

Mindful of the ongoing discussions about conferences, I think that it would be helpful to have a big picture understanding of the goals, plans, and budgets for conferences collectively.

As far as I know, these are the types of recurring conferences:

(1) Wikimania, which seems to be a multi-purpose international

conference,

...

with somewhat open admission if someone can afford to attend, is willing

to

...

attend, and can get the necessary legal permissions;

(2) the Wikimedia Summit (which I hope will get a name change to reflect its actual scope, because it's not an all-Wikimedia summit) which will focus on WMF, WMF committees that work with WMF affiliate organizations, and WMF affiliate organizations;

(3) thematic conferences, such as the Wikisource Conference;

(4) regional conferences, such as WikiConference North America;

(5) organization-specific meetings of various kinds, including affiliate organizations' annual general meetings and WMF All Hands, and

(6) the Wikimedia Technical Conference.

I believe that WMF intended to do some strategic planning for the collection of conferences as a part of the larger WMF-led strategic planning process. Is this type of planning underway for conferences, and

if

...

so can we get an update from someone who is familiar with the situation?

If

...

the person who will respond is a paid staff member, then please feel free to wait to respond until a convenient workday next week. In the meantime, other people may wish to comment or ask questions.

Thanks!

Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )

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Hi Pine,

The Program Officer for Conference Grants does serve as a single point of contact for conference funding at the Wikimedia Foundation. However, that position has been open for last several months and we've been undergoing a hiring process to fill it.

I'm copying in Alex Wang, who oversees that position so she can respond to your questions.

Kind regards,

Marti

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On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 10:16 PM Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Ad,Thanks for pointing out that open position. I am glad that WMF seems to agree that at least some of these questions are worth asking and that WMF is willing to dedicate staff time for this purpose.This is not a job that I am seeking. I have too many disagreements and have had too many disappointing experiences with WMF to want to work for them in a staff role. Maybe that will change someday. I am already in the difficult position of wanting work to get done by staff and/or potential grantees (I include myself in the latter category) when I distrust WMF, and becoming an employee myself is unlikely to be something that I would agree to do. Some things and people are not for sale.I don't know what your qualifications for the job are, so I would feel uncomfortable saying one way or another whether I think that you are a good candidate. If you want to apply for it then I wish you good luck.Regards,Pine( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) -------- Original message --------From: Ad Huikeshoven < ad.huikeshoven@gmail.com> Date: 11/4/18 12:11 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strategic planning for conferences hello Pine,Did you have a look at the events team manager job description? It is anopen position, so there is currently nobody at the wmf to answer yourquestion. For me the concept of 'event' is broader than the range ofconferences you described. Would you consider yourself as a candidate forthe position. Wpuld you consider me?greetings,AdOp zo 4 nov. 2018 20:58 schreef Pine W < wiki.pine@gmail.com:> Hello,>> My request from September has gone unanswered, so I am trying again. I> don't think that there is a single point of contact for conference funding> and strategy at WMF, but I think that there should be, and perhaps the lack> of such a person is why there hasn't been a response to this email. I don't> know who I should ping but I'm hoping that Katy can provide at least a> partial response, or direct this email to someone who can do so.>> Thanks,>> Pine> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )>>> On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 5:55 PM Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:>> > Mindful of the ongoing discussions about conferences, I think that it> > would be helpful to have a big picture understanding of the goals, plans,> > and budgets for conferences collectively.> >> > As far as I know, these are the types of recurring conferences:> >> > (1) Wikimania, which seems to be a multi-purpose international> conference,> > with somewhat open admission if someone can afford to attend, is willing> to> > attend, and can get the necessary legal permissions;> >> > (2) the Wikimedia Summit (which I hope will get a name change to reflect> > its actual scope, because it's not an all-Wikimedia summit) which will> > focus on WMF, WMF committees that work with WMF affiliate organizations,> > and WMF affiliate organizations;> >> > (3) thematic conferences, such as the Wikisource Conference;> >> > (4) regional conferences, such as WikiConference North America;> >> > (5) organization-specific meetings of various kinds, including affiliate> > organizations' annual general meetings and WMF All Hands, and> >> > (6) the Wikimedia Technical Conference.> >> > I believe that WMF intended to do some strategic planning for the> > collection of conferences as a part of the larger WMF-led strategic> > planning process. Is this type of planning underway for conferences, and> if> > so can we get an update from someone who is familiar with the situation?> If> > the person who will respond is a paid staff member, then please feel free> > to wait to respond until a convenient workday next week. In the meantime,> > other people may wish to comment or ask questions.> >> > Thanks!> >> > Pine> > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )> >> _______________________________________________> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l%3E New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,%3E mailto: wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe_______________________________________________Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-lNew messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.orgUnsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto: wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe

Hi Alex,

I hope that you are doing well. I originally started this email thread on Wikimedia-l near the end of September 2018, and four months have passed. I am still hoping to hear an update about WMF's strategy for conferences. I am trying to be patient and considerate, but I think that you may understand that I have difficulty with the length of the delay here. It seems to me that questions like this should not take WMF four months to answer, and that no one should need to send repeated requests for information like this. Once in awhile someone might be on vacation or an email might get stuck in a draft folder so one additional reminder or request might be necessary, but I think that the situation with this email thread should not ever happen. In addition to my original questions regarding conference strategy, I would like to know what has caused the lengthy delay and the lack of responsiveness from WMF. I am trying to be patient, but there is a problem here.

Thanks,

Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )

Hi Alex, per Dan's suggestion that I provide a reminder of the original question, here is a reminder of part of what I wrote previously at https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2018-September/091113.html .

"I think that it would be helpful to have a big picture understanding of the goals, plans, and budgets for conferences collectively.

"As far as I know, these are the types of recurring conferences:

"(1) Wikimania, which seems to be a multi-purpose international conference, with somewhat open admission if someone can afford to attend, is willing to attend, and can get the necessary legal permissions;

"(2) the Wikimedia Summit (which I hope will get a name change to reflect its actual scope, because it's not an all-Wikimedia summit) which will focus on WMF, WMF committees that work with WMF affiliate organizations,and WMF affiliate organizations;

"(3) thematic conferences, such as the Wikisource Conference;

"(4) regional conferences, such as WikiConference North America;

"(5) organization-specific meetings of various kinds, including affiliate organizations' annual general meetings and WMF All Hands, and

"(6) the Wikimedia Technical Conference.

"I believe that WMF intended to do some strategic planning for the collection of conferences as a part of the larger WMF-led strategic planning process. Is this type of planning underway for conferences, and if so can we get an update regarding what is happening?"

I would also like to know why my inquiries about this subject, which started in late September 2018, have been substantively unanswered for over four months despite my multiple requests. I don't expect anyone to instantly stop what they're doing in order to answer a non-urgent email, but I also don't expect four months of delay or for so many requests to be necessary.

Thanks,

Pine ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )