Gerard, I think you may be confusing an entirely new Wikimedia language with a new project (WIkiversity, Wikisource) in an existing language. I was talking about the latter (e.g. a new Wikiversity in Arabic).
Actually, the confusion may have been my fault, because I mistakenly gave Wikipedia as an example in my previous post.
So to be absolutely clear, my suggestion had nothing to do with the process of sanctioning entirely new languages, but rather to host new test-projects for existing languages at project-specific incubator wikis (like Wikiversity and Wikisource).
Dovi Jacobs
Everybody assumes that Wikipedia is to be the first project to introduce a new language. This is however not a given. When a new language is introduced for Wikisource, the requirements for a new language still apply. Particularly the language is to be approved to conform to what is considered to be that language.
Consequently, when a new language is to be started first in Wikisource, the
requirements are not waived. What can be discussed is to host it in Wikisource... However it would NOT be an approved language nor an approved project until it meets the requirements as specified by the language committee. This is not something that can be voted on.
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Hoi, A new language does not need to start with a Wikipedia. There was at some stage an NGO who was willing to give content to the Wikimedia Foundation for a language that we do not support at this moment. In this instance it would have been a Wikibook. It could have been appropriate for Wikisource.
So no, I am not mistaken. What I described is that when a new language starts, the requirements for a new language still apply. Your suggestion was about new Wikisource projects. You did not consider new languages starting in Wikisource. This is why I made my remark.
Thanks, GerardM
On 6/5/07, Dovi Jacobs dovijacobs@yahoo.com wrote:
Gerard, I think you may be confusing an entirely new Wikimedia language with a new project (WIkiversity, Wikisource) in an existing language. I was talking about the latter (e.g. a new Wikiversity in Arabic).
Actually, the confusion may have been my fault, because I mistakenly gave Wikipedia as an example in my previous post.
So to be absolutely clear, my suggestion had nothing to do with the process of sanctioning entirely new languages, but rather to host new test-projects for existing languages at project-specific incubator wikis (like Wikiversity and Wikisource).
Dovi Jacobs
Everybody assumes that Wikipedia is to be the first project to
introduce a new language. This is however not a given. When a new language is introduced for Wikisource, the requirements for a new language still apply. Particularly the language is to be approved to conform to what is considered to be that language.
Consequently, when a new language is to be started first in Wikisource,
the requirements are not waived. What can be discussed is to host it in Wikisource... However it would NOT be an approved language nor an approved project until it meets the requirements as specified by the language committee. This is not something that can be voted on.
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GerardM wrote:
Hoi, A new language does not need to start with a Wikipedia. There was at some stage an NGO who was willing to give content to the Wikimedia Foundation for a language that we do not support at this moment. In this instance it would have been a Wikibook. It could have been appropriate for Wikisource.
So no, I am not mistaken. What I described is that when a new language starts, the requirements for a new language still apply. Your suggestion was about new Wikisource projects. You did not consider new languages starting in Wikisource. This is why I made my remark.
You're stirring the pot with a red herring. Your desire to maintain control is just one factor among many. (Remember that I was the one who argued that Wikisource should remain as a single project.) It makes sense, as has been stated that Wikisource should not establish separate projects for all languages that come along; some just do not have enough of a written literature to maintain a Wikisource. Others, notably dead languages, may have a literature but no need to have their own interface. So if Wikisource has its own sensible criteria for accepting new languages, and they have satisfactorily considered the potential problems why should you need a veto on their activity?
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