From: "WJhonson(a)aol.com"
<WJhonson(a)aol.com>
To: foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Tue, November 30, 2010 1:26:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be
published?
In a message dated 11/30/2010 11:11:10 AM Pacific Standard Time,
birgitte_sb(a)yahoo.com writes:
And like everyone who contributes to this list,
they also send other
messages to the list that are useful or contribute a perspective that
would
otherwise be absent from the list. They should definitely not be banned,
but it
is clear that trolling and personal attacks do not bring about moderation.
>
"Trolling" seems to be defined however any person wishes to define it.
I've been accussed of trolling simply because I espouse a point-of-view that
is
critical. To me critcism is not trolling. Trolling would be, when you do
not actually believe what you're saying, but you say it only to generate
some dramatic effect.
People who believe their own criticism are critics, and are one of the
cornerstones of our society, without whom, we would sink into the morass of
stagnancy.
Personal attacks to me, are attacks against the character of a person, not
the character of their argument.
If I say you are being foolish, that is not the same thing as saying you
are a fool.
The "Troll" attack is launched, from my experience, whenever a person
espouses a line of argument, with which you not only don't agree, but you find
offensive in some manner to your ideals. That is not a troll, that is a
critic.
Trolling wasn't my choice of words, but in the section you snipped,
AlexandrDmitri suggested that it would lead to moderation. The term is
ambiguous, but I can hardly read his mind rephrase it more definitively for
him.
Your recent postings have definitely been foolish. You seem to be going out of
the way to misinterpret everyone's words in the worst possible light. Why should
you assume the phrase donor is meant to be restricted to monetary donations? Why
must you approach responses that are not full agreement with you as combat? You
obviously aren't on my ignore list, but frankly I am not sure how representative
this thread is of your general behavior. I guess I will know in a year or so.
Birgitte SB