In a message dated 11/30/2010 11:11:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, birgitte_sb@yahoo.com writes:
And like everyone who contributes to this list, they also send other messages to the list that are useful or contribute a perspective that would otherwise be absent from the list. They should definitely not be banned, but it is clear that trolling and personal attacks do not bring about moderation.
"Trolling" seems to be defined however any person wishes to define it. I've been accussed of trolling simply because I espouse a point-of-view that is critical. To me critcism is not trolling. Trolling would be, when you do not actually believe what you're saying, but you say it only to generate some dramatic effect.
People who believe their own criticism are critics, and are one of the cornerstones of our society, without whom, we would sink into the morass of stagnancy.
Personal attacks to me, are attacks against the character of a person, not the character of their argument. If I say you are being foolish, that is not the same thing as saying you are a fool.
The "Troll" attack is launched, from my experience, whenever a person espouses a line of argument, with which you not only don't agree, but you find offensive in some manner to your ideals. That is not a troll, that is a critic.
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In a message dated 11/30/2010 11:11:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, birgitte_sb@yahoo.com writes:
And like everyone who contributes to this list, they also send other messages to the list that are useful or contribute a perspective that would otherwise be absent from the list. They should definitely not be banned, but it is clear that trolling and personal attacks do not bring about moderation.
"Trolling" seems to be defined however any person wishes to define it. I've been accussed of trolling simply because I espouse a point-of-view that is
critical. To me critcism is not trolling. Trolling would be, when you do not actually believe what you're saying, but you say it only to generate some dramatic effect.
People who believe their own criticism are critics, and are one of the cornerstones of our society, without whom, we would sink into the morass of stagnancy.
Personal attacks to me, are attacks against the character of a person, not the character of their argument. If I say you are being foolish, that is not the same thing as saying you are a fool.
The "Troll" attack is launched, from my experience, whenever a person espouses a line of argument, with which you not only don't agree, but you find
offensive in some manner to your ideals. That is not a troll, that is a critic.
Trolling wasn't my choice of words, but in the section you snipped, AlexandrDmitri suggested that it would lead to moderation. The term is ambiguous, but I can hardly read his mind rephrase it more definitively for him.
Your recent postings have definitely been foolish. You seem to be going out of the way to misinterpret everyone's words in the worst possible light. Why should you assume the phrase donor is meant to be restricted to monetary donations? Why must you approach responses that are not full agreement with you as combat? You obviously aren't on my ignore list, but frankly I am not sure how representative this thread is of your general behavior. I guess I will know in a year or so.
Birgitte SB
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