At most four Korean Wikipedians are charged with defamation of Song Young-gil, the Mayor of Incheon Metropolitan City.
According to the contributors, the prosecution is upon the Song's own request, and is going to be over publicizing a fabricated sex scandal in the article about him and (semi-)protecting it. The text in question is merely a sum-up of various reports about the speculations eventually found to be a hoax. Non-logged-in user(s) from various IP addresses have tried to remove the whole controversy section, including not only the scandal but other arguments about him, replacing it with personal contrary comments and legal threats. The edits are consequently reverted by some users and rollbacked by one administrator. The admin, [[ko:User:Kys951]], is also accused of being an abettor just because he is an admin.
In the South Korean legal system, criminal defamation is partially a "crime upon complaint," (친고죄/親告罪) which becomes irrelevant to be a crime when the complainant chose to withdraw the case. (Note that I'm not a specialist of law, especially in English terminology.) The police of Southeastern Incheon thought the case itself is too insignificant to be a criminal case and tried to persuade him to withdraw it, only to be declined.
Song has reportedly demanded the admin to remove the paragraph in exchange for fixing the charge, which is definitely not the way how Wikipedia works.
Another concern about this incident is that this could happen to every bit of contribution to the project. South Korean government had been censoring any scribble on the web they think beneficial to North Korea,[2] and for later on, anything they think "fraudulent" whenever the state is in "threat," according to an exclusive report.[3]
[1] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ko/w/index.php?title=%EC%86%A1%EC%98%... [2] http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/shame_on_democratic_south_korea_for_cen... [3] http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/economy/it/455022.html
Puzzlet - How unfortunate. Is there a lawyer available to advise the Wikipedians? - SJ
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Puzzlet Chung puzzlet@gmail.com wrote:
At most four Korean Wikipedians are charged with defamation of Song Young-gil, the Mayor of Incheon Metropolitan City.
According to the contributors, the prosecution is upon the Song's own request, and is going to be over publicizing a fabricated sex scandal in the article about him and (semi-)protecting it. The text in question is merely a sum-up of various reports about the speculations eventually found to be a hoax. Non-logged-in user(s) from various IP addresses have tried to remove the whole controversy section, including not only the scandal but other arguments about him, replacing it with personal contrary comments and legal threats. The edits are consequently reverted by some users and rollbacked by one administrator. The admin, [[ko:User:Kys951]], is also accused of being an abettor just because he is an admin.
In the South Korean legal system, criminal defamation is partially a "crime upon complaint," (친고죄/親告罪) which becomes irrelevant to be a crime when the complainant chose to withdraw the case. (Note that I'm not a specialist of law, especially in English terminology.) The police of Southeastern Incheon thought the case itself is too insignificant to be a criminal case and tried to persuade him to withdraw it, only to be declined.
Song has reportedly demanded the admin to remove the paragraph in exchange for fixing the charge, which is definitely not the way how Wikipedia works.
Another concern about this incident is that this could happen to every bit of contribution to the project. South Korean government had been censoring any scribble on the web they think beneficial to North Korea,[2] and for later on, anything they think "fraudulent" whenever the state is in "threat," according to an exclusive report.[3]
[1] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ko/w/index.php?title=%EC%86%A1%EC%98%... [2] http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/shame_on_democratic_south_korea_for_cen... [3] http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/economy/it/455022.html
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I'm afraid not.
(And I forgot to introduce myself - I'm [[ko:User:PuzzletChung]], a bureaucrat from kowiki.)
2010/12/22 Samuel Klein meta.sj@gmail.com:
Puzzlet - How unfortunate. Is there a lawyer available to advise the Wikipedians? - SJ
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Puzzlet Chung puzzlet@gmail.com wrote:
At most four Korean Wikipedians are charged with defamation of Song Young-gil, the Mayor of Incheon Metropolitan City.
According to the contributors, the prosecution is upon the Song's own request, and is going to be over publicizing a fabricated sex scandal in the article about him and (semi-)protecting it. The text in question is merely a sum-up of various reports about the speculations eventually found to be a hoax. Non-logged-in user(s) from various IP addresses have tried to remove the whole controversy section, including not only the scandal but other arguments about him, replacing it with personal contrary comments and legal threats. The edits are consequently reverted by some users and rollbacked by one administrator. The admin, [[ko:User:Kys951]], is also accused of being an abettor just because he is an admin.
In the South Korean legal system, criminal defamation is partially a "crime upon complaint," (친고죄/親告罪) which becomes irrelevant to be a crime when the complainant chose to withdraw the case. (Note that I'm not a specialist of law, especially in English terminology.) The police of Southeastern Incheon thought the case itself is too insignificant to be a criminal case and tried to persuade him to withdraw it, only to be declined.
Song has reportedly demanded the admin to remove the paragraph in exchange for fixing the charge, which is definitely not the way how Wikipedia works.
Another concern about this incident is that this could happen to every bit of contribution to the project. South Korean government had been censoring any scribble on the web they think beneficial to North Korea,[2] and for later on, anything they think "fraudulent" whenever the state is in "threat," according to an exclusive report.[3]
[1] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ko/w/index.php?title=%EC%86%A1%EC%98%... [2] http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/shame_on_democratic_south_korea_for_cen... [3] http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/economy/it/455022.html
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I expect a good lawyer can be found. The WMF might be able to help with that, they have lots of useful contacts. If even the police didn't think there is much of a case, they must stand a very good chance of winning the case. While it will surely be a very stressful and unpleasant experience for the Wikipedians concerned, a victory in a case like this could set a very useful legal precedent (both in South Korea and internationally).
On 22 December 2010 05:18, Puzzlet Chung puzzlet@gmail.com wrote:
I'm afraid not.
(And I forgot to introduce myself - I'm [[ko:User:PuzzletChung]], a bureaucrat from kowiki.)
2010/12/22 Samuel Klein meta.sj@gmail.com:
Puzzlet - How unfortunate. Is there a lawyer available to advise the Wikipedians? - SJ
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Puzzlet Chung puzzlet@gmail.com wrote:
At most four Korean Wikipedians are charged with defamation of Song Young-gil, the Mayor of Incheon Metropolitan City.
According to the contributors, the prosecution is upon the Song's own request, and is going to be over publicizing a fabricated sex scandal in the article about him and (semi-)protecting it. The text in question is merely a sum-up of various reports about the speculations eventually found to be a hoax. Non-logged-in user(s) from various IP addresses have tried to remove the whole controversy section, including not only the scandal but other arguments about him, replacing it with personal contrary comments and legal threats. The edits are consequently reverted by some users and rollbacked by one administrator. The admin, [[ko:User:Kys951]], is also accused of being an abettor just because he is an admin.
In the South Korean legal system, criminal defamation is partially a "crime upon complaint," (친고죄/親告罪) which becomes irrelevant to be a crime when the complainant chose to withdraw the case. (Note that I'm not a specialist of law, especially in English terminology.) The police of Southeastern Incheon thought the case itself is too insignificant to be a criminal case and tried to persuade him to withdraw it, only to be declined.
Song has reportedly demanded the admin to remove the paragraph in exchange for fixing the charge, which is definitely not the way how Wikipedia works.
Another concern about this incident is that this could happen to every bit of contribution to the project. South Korean government had been censoring any scribble on the web they think beneficial to North Korea,[2] and for later on, anything they think "fraudulent" whenever the state is in "threat," according to an exclusive report.[3]
[1] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ko/w/index.php?title=%EC%86%A1%EC%98%... [2] http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/shame_on_democratic_south_korea_for_cen... [3] http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/economy/it/455022.html
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This seems to be an example of the trouble that the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons policy on the English Wikipedia is crafted to avoid, unsourced or poorly sourced negative information about a living person can be removed immediately by any editor. Here, if I'm reading right, it was put back up again despite being repeatedly removed.
Another aspect of this is that if there is a law around, even a disused, rarely enforced law, the possibility exists that someone will evoke it and put you into court with baleful consequences, even if you "win" in the end. For example in Colorado there is a criminal libel law that covers the dead, see https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Defamation#Criminal_defamatio... How one could fully comply with such a monstrosity as that is beyond me.
Fred
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At most four Korean Wikipedians are charged with defamation of Song Young-gil, the Mayor of Incheon Metropolitan City.
According to the contributors, the prosecution is upon the Song's own request, and is going to be over publicizing a fabricated sex scandal in the article about him and (semi-)protecting it. The text in question is merely a sum-up of various reports about the speculations eventually found to be a hoax. Non-logged-in user(s) from various IP addresses have tried to remove the whole controversy section, including not only the scandal but other arguments about him, replacing it with personal contrary comments and legal threats. The edits are consequently reverted by some users and rollbacked by one administrator. The admin, [[ko:User:Kys951]], is also accused of being an abettor just because he is an admin.
In the South Korean legal system, criminal defamation is partially a "crime upon complaint," (ì¹ê³ ì£/親å罪) which becomes irrelevant to be a crime when the complainant chose to withdraw the case. (Note that I'm not a specialist of law, especially in English terminology.) The police of Southeastern Incheon thought the case itself is too insignificant to be a criminal case and tried to persuade him to withdraw it, only to be declined.
Song has reportedly demanded the admin to remove the paragraph in exchange for fixing the charge, which is definitely not the way how Wikipedia works.
Another concern about this incident is that this could happen to every bit of contribution to the project. South Korean government had been censoring any scribble on the web they think beneficial to North Korea,[2] and for later on, anything they think "fraudulent" whenever the state is in "threat," according to an exclusive report.[3]
[1] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ko/w/index.php?title=%EC%86%A1%EC%98%... [2] http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/shame_on_democratic_south_korea_for_cen... [3] http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/economy/it/455022.html
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An example of an actual prosecution:
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=20937
Fred
This seems to be an example of the trouble that the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons policy on the English Wikipedia is crafted to avoid, unsourced or poorly sourced negative information about a living person can be removed immediately by any editor. Here, if I'm reading right, it was put back up again despite being repeatedly removed.
Another aspect of this is that if there is a law around, even a disused, rarely enforced law, the possibility exists that someone will evoke it and put you into court with baleful consequences, even if you "win" in the end. For example in Colorado there is a criminal libel law that covers the dead, see https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Defamation#Criminal_defamatio... How one could fully comply with such a monstrosity as that is beyond me.
Fred
User:Fred Bauder
At most four Korean Wikipedians are charged with defamation of Song Young-gil, the Mayor of Incheon Metropolitan City.
According to the contributors, the prosecution is upon the Song's own request, and is going to be over publicizing a fabricated sex scandal in the article about him and (semi-)protecting it. The text in question is merely a sum-up of various reports about the speculations eventually found to be a hoax. Non-logged-in user(s) from various IP addresses have tried to remove the whole controversy section, including not only the scandal but other arguments about him, replacing it with personal contrary comments and legal threats. The edits are consequently reverted by some users and rollbacked by one administrator. The admin, [[ko:User:Kys951]], is also accused of being an abettor just because he is an admin.
In the South Korean legal system, criminal defamation is partially a "crime upon complaint," (ì¹ê³ ì£/親å罪) which becomes irrelevant to be a crime when the complainant chose to withdraw the case. (Note that I'm not a specialist of law, especially in English terminology.) The police of Southeastern Incheon thought the case itself is too insignificant to be a criminal case and tried to persuade him to withdraw it, only to be declined.
Song has reportedly demanded the admin to remove the paragraph in exchange for fixing the charge, which is definitely not the way how Wikipedia works.
Another concern about this incident is that this could happen to every bit of contribution to the project. South Korean government had been censoring any scribble on the web they think beneficial to North Korea,[2] and for later on, anything they think "fraudulent" whenever the state is in "threat," according to an exclusive report.[3]
[1] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ko/w/index.php?title=%EC%86%A1%EC%98%... [2] http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/shame_on_democratic_south_korea_for_cen... [3] http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/economy/it/455022.html
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The Colorado law has been significantly weakened in the past year. See Mink v. Knox, No. 08-1250 (10th Cir. July 19, 2010), slip. op. at 26.
-Dan
On Dec 22, 2010, at 5:51 AM, Fred Bauder wrote:
An example of an actual prosecution:
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=20937
Fred
This seems to be an example of the trouble that the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons policy on the English Wikipedia is crafted to avoid, unsourced or poorly sourced negative information about a living person can be removed immediately by any editor. Here, if I'm reading right, it was put back up again despite being repeatedly removed.
Another aspect of this is that if there is a law around, even a disused, rarely enforced law, the possibility exists that someone will evoke it and put you into court with baleful consequences, even if you "win" in the end. For example in Colorado there is a criminal libel law that covers the dead, see https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Defamation#Criminal_defamatio... How one could fully comply with such a monstrosity as that is beyond me.
Fred
User:Fred Bauder
At most four Korean Wikipedians are charged with defamation of Song Young-gil, the Mayor of Incheon Metropolitan City.
According to the contributors, the prosecution is upon the Song's own request, and is going to be over publicizing a fabricated sex scandal in the article about him and (semi-)protecting it. The text in question is merely a sum-up of various reports about the speculations eventually found to be a hoax. Non-logged-in user(s) from various IP addresses have tried to remove the whole controversy section, including not only the scandal but other arguments about him, replacing it with personal contrary comments and legal threats. The edits are consequently reverted by some users and rollbacked by one administrator. The admin, [[ko:User:Kys951]], is also accused of being an abettor just because he is an admin.
In the South Korean legal system, criminal defamation is partially a "crime upon complaint," (ì¹œê³ ì£„/親告罪) which becomes irrelevant to be a crime when the complainant chose to withdraw the case. (Note that I'm not a specialist of law, especially in English terminology.) The police of Southeastern Incheon thought the case itself is too insignificant to be a criminal case and tried to persuade him to withdraw it, only to be declined.
Song has reportedly demanded the admin to remove the paragraph in exchange for fixing the charge, which is definitely not the way how Wikipedia works.
Another concern about this incident is that this could happen to every bit of contribution to the project. South Korean government had been censoring any scribble on the web they think beneficial to North Korea,[2] and for later on, anything they think "fraudulent" whenever the state is in "threat," according to an exclusive report.[3]
[1] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ko/w/index.php?title=%EC%86%A1%EC%98%... [2] http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/shame_on_democratic_south_korea_for_cen... [3] http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/economy/it/455022.html
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Dear colleague Puzzlet,
Thank you for passing through the information. Do you already have a large press reaction? And how about writing an English article about the person in question? I may know people who would like to translate into other languages. :-)
Kind regards Ziko
2010/12/22 Dan Rosenthal swatjester@gmail.com:
The Colorado law has been significantly weakened in the past year. See Mink v. Knox, No. 08-1250 (10th Cir. July 19, 2010), slip. op. at 26.
-Dan
On Dec 22, 2010, at 5:51 AM, Fred Bauder wrote:
An example of an actual prosecution:
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=20937
Fred
This seems to be an example of the trouble that the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons policy on the English Wikipedia is crafted to avoid, unsourced or poorly sourced negative information about a living person can be removed immediately by any editor. Here, if I'm reading right, it was put back up again despite being repeatedly removed.
Another aspect of this is that if there is a law around, even a disused, rarely enforced law, the possibility exists that someone will evoke it and put you into court with baleful consequences, even if you "win" in the end. For example in Colorado there is a criminal libel law that covers the dead, see https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Defamation#Criminal_defamatio... How one could fully comply with such a monstrosity as that is beyond me.
Fred
User:Fred Bauder
At most four Korean Wikipedians are charged with defamation of Song Young-gil, the Mayor of Incheon Metropolitan City.
According to the contributors, the prosecution is upon the Song's own request, and is going to be over publicizing a fabricated sex scandal in the article about him and (semi-)protecting it. The text in question is merely a sum-up of various reports about the speculations eventually found to be a hoax. Non-logged-in user(s) from various IP addresses have tried to remove the whole controversy section, including not only the scandal but other arguments about him, replacing it with personal contrary comments and legal threats. The edits are consequently reverted by some users and rollbacked by one administrator. The admin, [[ko:User:Kys951]], is also accused of being an abettor just because he is an admin.
In the South Korean legal system, criminal defamation is partially a "crime upon complaint," (ì¹œê³ ì£„/親告罪) which becomes irrelevant to be a crime when the complainant chose to withdraw the case. (Note that I'm not a specialist of law, especially in English terminology.) The police of Southeastern Incheon thought the case itself is too insignificant to be a criminal case and tried to persuade him to withdraw it, only to be declined.
Song has reportedly demanded the admin to remove the paragraph in exchange for fixing the charge, which is definitely not the way how Wikipedia works.
Another concern about this incident is that this could happen to every bit of contribution to the project. South Korean government had been censoring any scribble on the web they think beneficial to North Korea,[2] and for later on, anything they think "fraudulent" whenever the state is in "threat," according to an exclusive report.[3]
[1] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ko/w/index.php?title=%EC%86%A1%EC%98%... [2] http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/shame_on_democratic_south_korea_for_cen... [3] http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/economy/it/455022.html
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On 22/12/2010 04:56, Puzzlet Chung wrote:
At most four Korean Wikipedians are charged with defamation of Song Young-gil, the Mayor of Incheon Metropolitan City.
Another concern about this incident is that this could happen to every bit of contribution to the project. South Korean government had been censoring any scribble on the web they think beneficial to North Korea,[2] and for later on, anything they think "fraudulent" whenever the state is in "threat," according to an exclusive report.[3]
[1] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ko/w/index.php?title=%EC%86%A1%EC%98%... [2] http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/shame_on_democratic_south_korea_for_cen... [3] http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/economy/it/455022.html
Unfortunately, the days when anyone could post anything they liked on the web, and eschew all responsibility, are fast coming to an end. Those posting KP found that out some years ago, as did those uploading copyright music, and films. Those that perpetuate libels are also being called to account, as are those that post voyeuristic images of people in the street. Laterly jokes, and hoaxes on twitter are getting people arrested. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/twitter-user-faces-jail-over-airp... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/8096784/Frenchman-lo...
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