On 23 July John Resig tweeted a challenge,[1]
"I will donate $20 to a charity if someone can land an edit to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilians or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy_theory) … in @congressedits"
Sure enough, someone took up Resig's challenge with this edit.[2] Keeping with his challenge, Resig announced that $20 had been donated to the WMF for the edit.[3]
The IP used for the edit, sure enough, resolves to the US House of Representative.[4]
To make matters a little worse, the US House of Representatives IP has taken to vandalising the Russian Wikipedia article for the Russian national anthem,[5] replacing sheet music for the anthem with the sheet music for Putin -- khuilo (Putin is a dickhead).[6]
Question to the masses, should the WMF refund the $20 donation made to it?
Russavia
[1] http://www.webcitation.org/6RTt5jM9U [2] https://twitter.com/congressedits/status/492027099499462657 [3] http://www.webcitation.org/6RTtO0JMP [4] http://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/143.231.249.138 [5] https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%93%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BD_%D0%A0%D... [6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putin_khuilo!
The activity you describe is obviously unacceptable. However, the amount of time and effort that out associated with tracking down and returning a particular $20 contribution would not be worth it.
Newyorkbrad
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Russavia russavia.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 July John Resig tweeted a challenge,[1]
"I will donate $20 to a charity if someone can land an edit to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilians or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy_theory) … in @congressedits"
Sure enough, someone took up Resig's challenge with this edit.[2] Keeping with his challenge, Resig announced that $20 had been donated to the WMF for the edit.[3]
The IP used for the edit, sure enough, resolves to the US House of Representative.[4]
To make matters a little worse, the US House of Representatives IP has taken to vandalising the Russian Wikipedia article for the Russian national anthem,[5] replacing sheet music for the anthem with the sheet music for Putin -- khuilo (Putin is a dickhead).[6]
Question to the masses, should the WMF refund the $20 donation made to it?
Russavia
[1] http://www.webcitation.org/6RTt5jM9U [2] https://twitter.com/congressedits/status/492027099499462657 [3] http://www.webcitation.org/6RTtO0JMP [4] http://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/143.231.249.138 [5] https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%93%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BD_%D0%A0%D... [6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putin_khuilo!
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On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 12:23 AM, Newyorkbrad newyorkbrad@gmail.com wrote:
The activity you describe is obviously unacceptable. However, the amount of time and effort that out associated with tracking down and returning a particular $20 contribution would not be worth it.
Newyorkbrad
Newyorkbrad, it wouldn't be all that difficult, given that the person's name is known, it was clearly done with Paypal, we have the date the donation was made, etc, etc.
Furthermore, as the WMF have publicly spoken on these edits,[1] it would be amiss to condemn the edits but not disavow donations made as part of those edits.
The WMF should be refunding the donation.
Even more worse, the Kremlin is using the English Wikipedia to support a misinformation campaign around the shoot down of MH17 by Russian separatists in Ukraine.[1] Thankfully we have these new watchdog Twitter bots to spot interference by unsophisticated government actors, of both the playfully harmless and the dangerously harmful varieties.
Nathan, it is fantastic that Jen Psaki wishes to engage with the Wikimedia community, but could you please in future ask her to send her brainfarts from her own account. :)
Cheers
Scotty
[1] http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/07/24/wikipedia-block...
We do not see any donations from anyone by that name.
Best, Lisa Gruwell
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 5:52 AM, Russavia russavia.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 12:23 AM, Newyorkbrad newyorkbrad@gmail.com wrote:
The activity you describe is obviously unacceptable. However, the amount of time and effort that out associated with tracking down and returning a particular $20 contribution would not be worth it.
Newyorkbrad
Newyorkbrad, it wouldn't be all that difficult, given that the person's name is known, it was clearly done with Paypal, we have the date the donation was made, etc, etc.
Furthermore, as the WMF have publicly spoken on these edits,[1] it would be amiss to condemn the edits but not disavow donations made as part of those edits.
The WMF should be refunding the donation.
Even more worse, the Kremlin is using the English Wikipedia to support a misinformation campaign around the shoot down of MH17 by Russian separatists in Ukraine.[1] Thankfully we have these new watchdog Twitter bots to spot interference by unsophisticated government actors, of both
the
playfully harmless and the dangerously harmful varieties.
Nathan, it is fantastic that Jen Psaki wishes to engage with the Wikimedia community, but could you please in future ask her to send her brainfarts from her own account. :)
Cheers
Scotty
[1] http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/07/24/wikipedia-block...
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;O we get vandalized and he doesn't stick to his word of donating? Some people are just mean.
On 01/08/2014, at 10:10, Lisa Gruwell lgruwell@wikimedia.org wrote:
We do not see any donations from anyone by that name.
Best, Lisa Gruwell
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 5:52 AM, Russavia russavia.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 12:23 AM, Newyorkbrad newyorkbrad@gmail.com wrote:
The activity you describe is obviously unacceptable. However, the amount of time and effort that out associated with tracking down and returning a particular $20 contribution would not be worth it.
Newyorkbrad
Newyorkbrad, it wouldn't be all that difficult, given that the person's name is known, it was clearly done with Paypal, we have the date the donation was made, etc, etc.
Furthermore, as the WMF have publicly spoken on these edits,[1] it would be amiss to condemn the edits but not disavow donations made as part of those edits.
The WMF should be refunding the donation.
Even more worse, the Kremlin is using the English Wikipedia to support a misinformation campaign around the shoot down of MH17 by Russian separatists in Ukraine.[1] Thankfully we have these new watchdog Twitter bots to spot interference by unsophisticated government actors, of both
the
playfully harmless and the dangerously harmful varieties.
Nathan, it is fantastic that Jen Psaki wishes to engage with the Wikimedia community, but could you please in future ask her to send her brainfarts from her own account. :)
Cheers
Scotty
[1] http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/07/24/wikipedia-block...
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He may have donated under a pseudonym, or by cheque, or to a chapter, or through a friend. Very tricky to track down. On 1 Aug 2014 17:42, "Dennis Pierri" dennis6492@gmail.com wrote:
;O we get vandalized and he doesn't stick to his word of donating? Some people are just mean.
On 01/08/2014, at 10:10, Lisa Gruwell lgruwell@wikimedia.org wrote:
We do not see any donations from anyone by that name.
Best, Lisa Gruwell
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 5:52 AM, Russavia russavia.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 12:23 AM, Newyorkbrad newyorkbrad@gmail.com wrote:
The activity you describe is obviously unacceptable. However, the
amount
of time and effort that out associated with tracking down and
returning a
particular $20 contribution would not be worth it.
Newyorkbrad
Newyorkbrad, it wouldn't be all that difficult, given that the person's name is known, it was clearly done with Paypal, we have the date the donation was made, etc, etc.
Furthermore, as the WMF have publicly spoken on these edits,[1] it would be amiss to condemn the edits but not disavow donations made as part of those edits.
The WMF should be refunding the donation.
Even more worse, the Kremlin is using the English Wikipedia to support
a
misinformation campaign around the shoot down of MH17 by Russian separatists in Ukraine.[1] Thankfully we have these new watchdog
bots to spot interference by unsophisticated government actors, of both
the
playfully harmless and the dangerously harmful varieties.
Nathan, it is fantastic that Jen Psaki wishes to engage with the Wikimedia community, but could you please in future ask her to send her brainfarts from her own account. :)
Cheers
Scotty
[1]
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/07/24/wikipedia-block...
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On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Richard Symonds < richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
He may have donated under a pseudonym, or by cheque, or to a chapter, or through a friend. Very tricky to track down.
Or...the US NSA hacked into the Foundation's donor database and removed it to contribute to the conspiracy.
Jeez guys - stop beating the horse. It's never was alive to begin with.
The time a staff or contractor will need to discover his donation or if he has donated is more expensive than 20 USD.
Ask him better donations, revert the vandalism and don't give the money back, using it for some useful thing, like improving anti-vandalism tools.
2014-08-01 16:10 GMT-03:00 Rjd0060 rjd0060.wiki@gmail.com:
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Richard Symonds < richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
He may have donated under a pseudonym, or by cheque, or to a chapter, or through a friend. Very tricky to track down.
Or...the US NSA hacked into the Foundation's donor database and removed it to contribute to the conspiracy.
Jeez guys - stop beating the horse. It's never was alive to begin with.
-- Everton Zanella Alvarenga (also Tom) Open Knowledge Brasil - Rede pelo Conhecimento Livre http://br.okfn.org
+1, sorry, that was my point :-) On 1 Aug 2014 20:10, "Rjd0060" rjd0060.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Richard Symonds < richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
He may have donated under a pseudonym, or by cheque, or to a chapter, or through a friend. Very tricky to track down.
Or...the US NSA hacked into the Foundation's donor database and removed it to contribute to the conspiracy.
Jeez guys - stop beating the horse. It's never was alive to begin with.
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Hi Richard, et al
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 2:49 AM, Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
He may have donated under a pseudonym, or by cheque, or to a chapter, or through a friend. Very tricky to track down.
True, people can and do donate via such methods. I did so myself when I donated the half proceeds from the sale of Pricasso's painting of Jimmy Wales to the WMF.[1] I had a friend in the US donate by way of cheque sent to the WMF offices so that it wouldn't be eaten up in credit card and Paypal fees.
Jeez guys - stop beating the horse. It's never was alive to begin with.
Rjd0060, I'm not sure here, but are you saying that the guy didn't actually donate the $20? If so, he publicly said he did, so it's best not to say such things which could be misconstrued as you saying the guy lied. Perhaps contact with him via Twitter might get an answer as to how he actually donated.
Cheers
Russavia
2014-08-01 16:30 GMT-03:00 Russavia russavia.wikipedia@gmail.com:
Rjd0060, I'm not sure here, but are you saying that the guy didn't actually donate the $20? If so, he publicly said he did, so it's best not to say such things which could be misconstrued as you saying the guy lied. Perhaps contact with him via Twitter might get an answer as to how he actually donated.
No. Richard said it was NSA fault, "the US NSA hacked into the Foundation's donor database and removed it". I tend to believe on this as well. Instead of improve anti-vandalism tools as suggested, we also could use the money for improve WMF servers security.
Alternately, we could stop feeding an obvious troll.
On 1 August 2014 20:30, Russavia russavia.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Richard, et al
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 2:49 AM, Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
He may have donated under a pseudonym, or by cheque, or to a chapter, or through a friend. Very tricky to track down.
True, people can and do donate via such methods. I did so myself when I donated the half proceeds from the sale of Pricasso's painting of Jimmy Wales to the WMF.[1] I had a friend in the US donate by way of cheque sent to the WMF offices so that it wouldn't be eaten up in credit card and Paypal fees.
Jeez guys - stop beating the horse. It's never was alive to begin with.
Rjd0060, I'm not sure here, but are you saying that the guy didn't actually donate the $20? If so, he publicly said he did, so it's best not to say such things which could be misconstrued as you saying the guy lied. Perhaps contact with him via Twitter might get an answer as to how he actually donated.
Cheers
Russavia
[1] http://archive.today/L6OVn
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On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Russavia russavia.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
Jeez guys - stop beating the horse. It's never was alive to begin with.
Rjd0060, I'm not sure here, but are you saying that the guy didn't actually donate the $20? If so, he publicly said he did, so it's best not to say such things which could be misconstrued as you saying the guy lied. Perhaps contact with him via Twitter might get an answer as to how he actually donated.
Cheers
Russavia
No, I'm saying this doesn't matter and people should get back to doing whatever they feel is actually important.
Let it go. It really does not matter. AT ALL.
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Rjd0060 rjd0060.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
No, I'm saying this doesn't matter and people should get back to doing whatever they feel is actually important.
Let it go. It really does not matter. AT ALL.
I can't agree. It's clear that lives are at stake, not to mention our international reputation and the livelihood of all employees as well as the self-esteem of many thousands of contributors. This couldn't possibly be more serious.
To me, the only thing at stake is the seriousness of this list - and that is not a new issue, unfortunately. Regards, Thyge /Sir48
2014-08-01 21:59 GMT+02:00 Nathan nawrich@gmail.com:
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Rjd0060 rjd0060.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
No, I'm saying this doesn't matter and people should get back to doing whatever they feel is actually important.
Let it go. It really does not matter. AT ALL.
I can't agree. It's clear that lives are at stake, not to mention our international reputation and the livelihood of all employees as well as the self-esteem of many thousands of contributors. This couldn't possibly be more serious. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Rjd0060 rjd0060.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
No, I'm saying this doesn't matter and people should get back to doing whatever they feel is actually important.
Let it go. It really does not matter. AT ALL.
I can't agree. It's clear that lives are at stake, not to mention our international reputation and the livelihood of all employees as well as the self-esteem of many thousands of contributors. This couldn't possibly be more serious.
When you find yourself saying things like this, or you find yourself agreeing to this kind of reasoning, perhaps it's time to take a step back and look at the big picture. We're editing a *website*.
Go outside and play.
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Rjd0060 rjd0060.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Rjd0060 rjd0060.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
No, I'm saying this doesn't matter and people should get back to doing whatever they feel is actually important.
Let it go. It really does not matter. AT ALL.
I can't agree. It's clear that lives are at stake, not to mention our international reputation and the livelihood of all employees as well as
the
self-esteem of many thousands of contributors. This couldn't possibly be more serious.
When you find yourself saying things like this, or you find yourself agreeing to this kind of reasoning, perhaps it's time to take a step back and look at the big picture. We're editing a *website*.
Go outside and play.
I guess you can see now how its possible Russavia didn't get your joke :-P
Was this paid-by-proxy contribution accompanied by disclosure?
Nemo
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Russavia russavia.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
To make matters a little worse, the US House of Representatives IP has taken to vandalising the Russian Wikipedia article for the Russian national anthem,[5] replacing sheet music for the anthem with the sheet music for Putin -- khuilo (Putin is a dickhead).[6]
Question to the masses, should the WMF refund the $20 donation made to it?
Russavia
[1] http://www.webcitation.org/6RTt5jM9U [2] https://twitter.com/congressedits/status/492027099499462657 [3] http://www.webcitation.org/6RTtO0JMP [4] http://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/143.231.249.138 [5] https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%93%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BD_%D0%A0%D... [6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putin_khuilo!
Even more worse, the Kremlin is using the English Wikipedia to support a misinformation campaign around the shoot down of MH17 by Russian separatists in Ukraine.[1] Thankfully we have these new watchdog Twitter bots to spot interference by unsophisticated government actors, of both the playfully harmless and the dangerously harmful varieties.
1: http://gawker.com/did-russian-officials-edit-wikipedia-to-back-up-a-bogus-16...
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