Sure (and in reply to your off-list mail, it's fine, easily done).
The questions seemed genuine and seeking a genuine explanation. If it's been
covered elsewhere that's good enough.
FT2
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Ryan Lomonaco <wiki.ral315(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
FT2,
Please let it go - I talked with Virgilio off-list yesterday; it sounds
like
he didn't mean to stir up a storm, and would rather this thread die.
Thanks,
Ryan
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 3:23 PM, FT2 <ft2.wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:
That won't help much.
If I understand your email correctly, you want the information in order
to
protest on pt.wiki - either about your name being
used or about being
blocked for mentioning other users' names.
There are problems with this.
1. The thread started by saying it is inaccurate to use a tag line "the
only person ruled by an arbcom under a real name (in the title)". Cases
exist (eg enwiki Arbcom)
2. Each project is independent. What enwiki does may truthfully be
different from ruwiki, ptwiki, dewiki. wikis can be very different and
their
internal decisions on these things can be compared but it is not going
to
persuade anyone about pt.wiki, if you try and
argue about events on
some
other wiki.
3. Even on a single wiki, treatment may vary within context. For
example
on enwiki a user may be blocked indefinitely
for naming another user's
real
name, or an arbcom case may even be named after a real name. What is
the
difference? In the first case the real name
was not public, in the
second
case the real name was also their username. So a lot varies depending
on
context and community.
4. You may be the only person dealt with under a real name *by
pt-arbcom*.
But nobody has said you were or weren't.
Hope this helps?
FT2
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Virgilio A. P. Machado <vam(a)fct.unl.pt
wrote:
> 1) No real names will be disclosed on this list on account of the
request
made.
2) No action is asked or expected.
These two personal commitments are important before answering an
absolutely legitimate request for clarification: "why [is] this issue
of such [...] importance to the thread-creator."
It is very important for this user. Most are now familiar with the
use of his real name by the pt.wiki arbcom.
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conselho_de_arbitragem/Casos/2009-09…
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Discuss%C3%A3o:Conselho_de_arbitrage…
>
> That never bothered the user or the foregone decision to filter his
> edits for infinity, a period that far exceeds his expected natural
> life. The 53 irregularities that overshadowed the case bothered him a
> great deal more.
>
> What is not so well known is that four months later, while quietly
> working on a new subpage, after listing the real names of two users,
> this was used against him and eventually led to him being blocked or
> banned (depending on the page you look at) for infinity, by the same
> administrator, bureaucrat, checkuser, and arbcom member (hopefully no
> title was left out) that led the arbcom in the case using his real
name.
>
> It is very important for the pt.wiki.
>
> The governance of the pt.wiki is in such disrepair that this user
> felt compelled to gather as much information as possible on a Meta
> page. Soon, that work was under attack by the same user mentioned
> above and one of his accomplices, and his now on hold as a user
subpage:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado/Portuguese_Wikipedia_governa…
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Vapmachado/Portuguese_Wikipedia_go…
This modest work was started in May 4, 2010, well before the
following reports on Meta:
October 2010 -
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Sir_Lestaty_de_Lioncourt/Archive/Octobe…
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conselho_de_arbitragem/Casos/2010-12…
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Discuss%C3%A3o:Conselho_de_arbitrage…
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards%27_noticeboard>
It is very important to the communities at large.
Unaware of the existence of this essay
(
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Kylu/Essay and
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Kylu/Essay), this user
opened a request for comment on Meta on "What is public and
non-public personal information?"
(
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Public_or_non-public_pe…
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Requests_for_comment/Public_or_non-publ…
)
which brought to the fore some of fears, tabus and misconceptions
that are quite widespread on Wikimedia projects.
It is hoped that the above explanations fully justify the statement
that the user was interested in the information requested "For
reasons of the utmost importance, not only to this user but to the
communities at large." as it would provide more evidence of real
names being used, without leading to the blocking or banning of the
arbcoms that used them in the TITLE of a case.
Due to the sensitivity of the matter, this user wishes to withdraw
his request, and apologizes for any anxiety he might have caused in
some members of this list. What happened to him is evidence enough.
If there are no further questions concerning this request, it will
now be considered closed. For inquires, opinions, and/or debate about
other matters mentioned above, both this user and the listed talk
pages are available to all.
Sincerely,
Virgilio A. P. Machado (Vapmachado)
"Co-author" of "A civilized community"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado/Comment_draft
At 01:17 09-12-2010, you wrote:
>On the English Wikipedia, we generally try to avoid bringing editors'
real
>names into decisions, unless the username is
the real name. In the
three
>years I've been an arbitrator, we have
extended this courtesy even to
some
> >highly troublesome users. (Aficionadoes of the En-WP arbitration
pages
will
>recognize the "Mantanmoreland" and "MZMcBride 2" cases as
examples.)
>
>I am not clear, however, on why this issue of such such importance to
the
thread-creator.
Newyorkbrad
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