I think this should be an important issue. It can be confusing for people visiting the website in multiple languages. All projects should have an uniform logo.

Of course, they can have a different name and in the case of the 'old' Wiktionary logo, also different text. But the general style of the logo should be the same for all language versions. This is not the case with the two Wiktionary logos, they are distinctively different. If you have a project that should be recognized all over the world, by anyone, without any confusion you shouldn't use two logos. Let's assume for example that the German Wikipedia would use a different logo than the English Wikipedia. That would be very confusing for everyone. A logo is the first thing people remember and notice about a website, and they use it to recognize it from other websites.

On Nov 14, 2007 2:34 PM, Thomas Goldammer <thogol(a)googlemail.com> wrote: That's exactly the problem. People might assume that X and Y are two different websites, while in essence they are not (they're just different language editions of the same project). We already have enough problems because people assume that every website starting with 'wiki' is a Wikimedia project, we shouldn't create such confusion ourselves. If we want Wikimedia and it's projects to be recognizable we should do everything we can to harmonize and simplify our image.

Husky, you may find Guillaume and Elian's presentation on the different projects' visual identities at Wikimania of interest to you. http://wikimania2007.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proceedings:GP1 On Nov 14, 2007 9:12 AM, Guillaume Paumier <guillom.pom(a)gmail.com> wrote: -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 --- Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails sent to this address will probably get lost. _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Of course, they can have a different name and in the case of the 'old' Wiktionary logo, also different text. But the general style of the logo should be the same for all language versions. This is not the case with the two Wiktionary logos, they are distinctively different. If you have a project that should be recognized all over the world, by anyone, without any confusion you shouldn't use two logos. Let's assume for example that the German Wikipedia would use a different logo than the English Wikipedia. That would be very confusing for everyone. A logo is the first thing people remember and notice about a website, and they use it to recognize it from other websites. -- Hay / Husky On Nov 14, 2007 1:53 PM, Thomas Goldammer <thogol(a)googlemail.com> wrote: _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

On Nov 14, 2007 3:16 PM, GerardM <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote: the One solution (I'm not saying it's the best one, I'm open to suggestions) would be to have a vote where only active people of Wiktionary are allowed to vote. projects. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Marketing (it's not the first time I have the feeling very few people are actually aware of its existence, despite the fact this group is at the service of the community :). And I confirm that having different logos for the same project is definitely a marketing nightmare. Say you're creating some promotional material about Wiktionary. You live in Switzerland, where there are at least 3 languages (German, French, Italian). Imagine the 3 Wiktionary projects have a different logo. You're not seriously going to design and print 3 different leaflets or press kits with different logos. And let's think about the foundation global documents. Which logo should be chosen in the official press kit or other official documents of the foundation? The English one? Why this one and not the Dutch one? etc. -- Guillaume Paumier [[m:User:guillom]] "Go confidently in the direction of your dreams. Live the life you have imagined." Henry David Thoreau _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Hoi, I did not know of its existence. Apparently it needs some marketing. When you do not hear from committees, when you do not observe their activity they might as well not be there. So what marketing material exists for Wiktionary ? When there is no marketing material for Wiktionary ... what is the point ? Is this going to change? Will there be marketing material for Wikinews, Wikibooks ... Make us an offer we cannot refuse. Thanks, GerardM On Nov 14, 2007 3:28 PM, Guillaume Paumier <guillom.pom(a)gmail.com> wrote: _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l