Hey,
FYI - sad news from Turkish.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel itzik@wikimedia.org.il Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia To: Communications Committee wmfcc-l@lists.wikimedia.org
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909
Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be soon all over the news.
---
*Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular websites.*
It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed. The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from 08:00 (05:00 GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities. People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any Wikipedia pages without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN). "After technical analysis and legal consideration based on the Law Nr. 5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this website," Turkey's Information and Communication Technologies Authority was quoted as saying. No reason was given. Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet Daily News, said the provisional order would need to be backed by a full court ruling in the next few days.
Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, with some users speculating that it might be a bid to suppress criticism on President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page. Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April referendum on increasing his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country. Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media sites including Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the wake of mass protests or terror attacks. The government has previously denied censoring the internet, blaming outages on spikes in usage after major events.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
hopefully it would be technical mistake and will be lifted very soon.
Mardetanha
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < itzik@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:
Hey,
FYI - sad news from Turkish.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel itzik@wikimedia.org.il Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia To: Communications Committee wmfcc-l@lists.wikimedia.org
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909
Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be soon all over the news.
*Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular websites.*
It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed. The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from 08:00 (05:00 GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities. People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any Wikipedia pages without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN). "After technical analysis and legal consideration based on the Law Nr. 5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this website," Turkey's Information and Communication Technologies Authority was quoted as saying. No reason was given. Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet Daily News, said the provisional order would need to be backed by a full court ruling in the next few days.
Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, with some users speculating that it might be a bid to suppress criticism on President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page. Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April referendum on increasing his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country. Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media sites including Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the wake of mass protests or terror attacks. The government has previously denied censoring the internet, blaming outages on spikes in usage after major events.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Basak commented on Facebook: "In the news, it says that, Wikipedia supports global terrorism. The Turkish officials has been corresponding with wikipedia (?) but there is no answer. The site (most probably they mean English one) includes content that supports ISIS ."
http://mobil.hurriyet.com.tr/son-dakika-haberi-wikipediaya-erisim-engellendi...
- Sent from mobile
On Apr 29, 2017 11:55, "Mardetanha" mardetanha.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
hopefully it would be technical mistake and will be lifted very soon.
Mardetanha
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < itzik@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:
Hey,
FYI - sad news from Turkish.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel itzik@wikimedia.org.il Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia To: Communications Committee wmfcc-l@lists.wikimedia.org
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909
Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be soon all over the news.
*Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular websites.*
It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed. The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from 08:00 (05:00 GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities. People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any Wikipedia pages without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN). "After technical analysis and legal consideration based on the Law Nr. 5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this website,"
Turkey's
Information and Communication Technologies Authority was quoted as
saying.
No reason was given. Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet Daily News, said the provisional order would need to be backed by a full court ruling in
the
next few days.
Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, with some users speculating that it might be a bid to suppress criticism on President
Recep
Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page. Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April referendum on increasing his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country. Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media sites including Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the wake of mass protests or terror attacks. The government has previously denied censoring the internet, blaming outages on spikes in usage after major events.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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more info https://turkeyblocks.org/2017/04/29/wikipedia-blocked-turkey/
Mardetanha
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < itzik@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:
Basak commented on Facebook: "In the news, it says that, Wikipedia supports global terrorism. The Turkish officials has been corresponding with wikipedia (?) but there is no answer. The site (most probably they mean English one) includes content that supports ISIS ."
http://mobil.hurriyet.com.tr/son-dakika-haberi-wikipediaya- erisim-engellendi-40441904
- Sent from mobile
On Apr 29, 2017 11:55, "Mardetanha" mardetanha.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
hopefully it would be technical mistake and will be lifted very soon.
Mardetanha
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < itzik@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:
Hey,
FYI - sad news from Turkish.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
the
sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel itzik@wikimedia.org.il Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia To: Communications Committee wmfcc-l@lists.wikimedia.org
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909
Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be soon all
over
the news.
*Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular websites.*
It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed. The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from 08:00
(05:00
GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities. People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any Wikipedia
pages
without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN). "After technical analysis and legal consideration based on the Law Nr. 5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this website,"
Turkey's
Information and Communication Technologies Authority was quoted as
saying.
No reason was given. Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet Daily News,
said
the provisional order would need to be backed by a full court ruling in
the
next few days.
Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, with some users speculating that it might be a bid to suppress criticism on President
Recep
Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page. Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April referendum on
increasing
his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country. Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media sites including Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the wake of mass
protests
or terror attacks. The government has previously denied censoring the internet, blaming outages on spikes in usage after major events.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
the
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Presumably the WMF will be taking prompt, strong and effective action to protest against and reverse this decision? A case in the Constitutional Court, for example?
"Rogol"
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Mardetanha mardetanha.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
more info https://turkeyblocks.org/2017/04/29/wikipedia-blocked-turkey/
Mardetanha
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < itzik@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:
Basak commented on Facebook: "In the news, it says that, Wikipedia
supports
global terrorism. The Turkish officials has been corresponding with wikipedia (?) but there is no answer. The site (most probably they mean English one) includes content that supports ISIS ."
http://mobil.hurriyet.com.tr/son-dakika-haberi-wikipediaya- erisim-engellendi-40441904
- Sent from mobile
On Apr 29, 2017 11:55, "Mardetanha" mardetanha.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
hopefully it would be technical mistake and will be lifted very soon.
Mardetanha
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < itzik@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:
Hey,
FYI - sad news from Turkish.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
the
sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel itzik@wikimedia.org.il Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia To: Communications Committee wmfcc-l@lists.wikimedia.org
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909
Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be soon all
over
the news.
*Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular websites.*
It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed. The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from 08:00
(05:00
GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities. People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any Wikipedia
pages
without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN). "After technical analysis and legal consideration based on the Law
Nr.
5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this website,"
Turkey's
Information and Communication Technologies Authority was quoted as
saying.
No reason was given. Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet Daily News,
said
the provisional order would need to be backed by a full court ruling
in
the
next few days.
Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, with some
users
speculating that it might be a bid to suppress criticism on President
Recep
Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page. Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April referendum on
increasing
his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country. Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media sites including Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the wake of mass
protests
or terror attacks. The government has previously denied censoring the internet, blaming outages on spikes in usage after major events.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
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Not sure what action WMF can take to reverse the decision taken by a dictator which only concerns the territory he has an absolute authority.
Cheers Yaroslav
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Rogol Domedonfors domedonfors@gmail.com wrote:
Presumably the WMF will be taking prompt, strong and effective action to protest against and reverse this decision? A case in the Constitutional Court, for example?
"Rogol"
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Mardetanha mardetanha.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
more info https://turkeyblocks.org/2017/04/29/wikipedia-blocked-turkey/
Mardetanha
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < itzik@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:
Basak commented on Facebook: "In the news, it says that, Wikipedia
supports
global terrorism. The Turkish officials has been corresponding with wikipedia (?) but there is no answer. The site (most probably they
mean
English one) includes content that supports ISIS ."
http://mobil.hurriyet.com.tr/son-dakika-haberi-wikipediaya- erisim-engellendi-40441904
- Sent from mobile
On Apr 29, 2017 11:55, "Mardetanha" mardetanha.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
hopefully it would be technical mistake and will be lifted very soon.
Mardetanha
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < itzik@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:
Hey,
FYI - sad news from Turkish.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share
in
the
sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel itzik@wikimedia.org.il Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia To: Communications Committee wmfcc-l@lists.wikimedia.org
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909
Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be soon
all
over
the news.
*Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular websites.*
It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed. The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from 08:00
(05:00
GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities. People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any Wikipedia
pages
without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN). "After technical analysis and legal consideration based on the Law
Nr.
5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this website,"
Turkey's
Information and Communication Technologies Authority was quoted as
saying.
No reason was given. Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet Daily News,
said
the provisional order would need to be backed by a full court
ruling
in
the
next few days.
Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, with some
users
speculating that it might be a bid to suppress criticism on
President
Recep
Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page. Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April referendum on
increasing
his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country. Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media sites including Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the wake of mass
protests
or terror attacks. The government has previously denied censoring the internet,
blaming
outages on spikes in usage after major events.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share
in
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I do hope WMF taken NO action. We have learnt by similar cases, that the local communities(chapters) haves best insight in how to best proceed.
And things would evolve to be much worse if an non-turkish entity was to take action
Anders
Den 2017-04-29 kl. 12:45, skrev Rogol Domedonfors:
Presumably the WMF will be taking prompt, strong and effective action to protest against and reverse this decision? A case in the Constitutional Court, for example?
"Rogol"
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Mardetanha mardetanha.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
more info https://turkeyblocks.org/2017/04/29/wikipedia-blocked-turkey/
Mardetanha
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < itzik@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:
Basak commented on Facebook: "In the news, it says that, Wikipedia
supports
global terrorism. The Turkish officials has been corresponding with wikipedia (?) but there is no answer. The site (most probably they mean English one) includes content that supports ISIS ."
http://mobil.hurriyet.com.tr/son-dakika-haberi-wikipediaya- erisim-engellendi-40441904
- Sent from mobile
On Apr 29, 2017 11:55, "Mardetanha" mardetanha.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
hopefully it would be technical mistake and will be lifted very soon.
Mardetanha
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < itzik@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:
Hey,
FYI - sad news from Turkish.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
the
sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel itzik@wikimedia.org.il Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia To: Communications Committee wmfcc-l@lists.wikimedia.org
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909
Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be soon all
over
the news.
*Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular websites.*
It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed. The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from 08:00
(05:00
GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities. People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any Wikipedia
pages
without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN). "After technical analysis and legal consideration based on the Law
Nr.
5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this website,"
Turkey's
Information and Communication Technologies Authority was quoted as
saying.
No reason was given. Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet Daily News,
said
the provisional order would need to be backed by a full court ruling
in
the
next few days.
Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, with some
users
speculating that it might be a bid to suppress criticism on President
Recep
Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page. Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April referendum on
increasing
his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country. Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media sites including Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the wake of mass
protests
or terror attacks. The government has previously denied censoring the internet, blaming outages on spikes in usage after major events.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
the
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What we can and should do is produce offline versions of Wikipedia content and promote them both in Turkey and to the media :-)
Will try to see about producing a beta version of a Turkish medical app today.
James
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 4:52 AM, Anders Wennersten <mail@anderswennersten.se
wrote:
I do hope WMF taken NO action. We have learnt by similar cases, that the local communities(chapters) haves best insight in how to best proceed.
And things would evolve to be much worse if an non-turkish entity was to take action
Anders
Den 2017-04-29 kl. 12:45, skrev Rogol Domedonfors:
Presumably the WMF will be taking prompt, strong and effective action to protest against and reverse this decision? A case in the Constitutional Court, for example?
"Rogol"
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Mardetanha mardetanha.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
more info
https://turkeyblocks.org/2017/04/29/wikipedia-blocked-turkey/
Mardetanha
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < itzik@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:
Basak commented on Facebook: "In the news, it says that, Wikipedia
supports
global terrorism. The Turkish officials has been corresponding with wikipedia (?) but there is no answer. The site (most probably they mean English one) includes content that supports ISIS ."
http://mobil.hurriyet.com.tr/son-dakika-haberi-wikipediaya- erisim-engellendi-40441904
- Sent from mobile
On Apr 29, 2017 11:55, "Mardetanha" mardetanha.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
hopefully it would be technical mistake and will be lifted very soon.
Mardetanha
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < itzik@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:
Hey,
FYI - sad news from Turkish.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
the
sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel itzik@wikimedia.org.il Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia To: Communications Committee wmfcc-l@lists.wikimedia.org
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909
Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be soon all
over
the news.
*Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular websites.*
It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed. The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from 08:00
(05:00
GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities.
People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any Wikipedia
pages
without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN).
"After technical analysis and legal consideration based on the Law
Nr.
5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this website,"
Turkey's
Information and Communication Technologies Authority was quoted as
saying.
No reason was given. Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet Daily News,
said
the provisional order would need to be backed by a full court ruling
in
the
next few days.
Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, with some
users
speculating that it might be a bid to suppress criticism on President
Recep
Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page. Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April referendum on
increasing
his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country.
Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media sites including Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the wake of mass
protests
or terror attacks.
The government has previously denied censoring the internet, blaming outages on spikes in usage after major events.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
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Hey All
What are people's thoughts about a response by the movement?
Have started drafting something here https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Response_to_2017_ban_in_Turkey
Would appreciate peoples though and whether or not they think this is a good idea.
James
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:51 AM, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
What we can and should do is produce offline versions of Wikipedia content and promote them both in Turkey and to the media :-)
Will try to see about producing a beta version of a Turkish medical app today.
James
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 4:52 AM, Anders Wennersten < mail@anderswennersten.se> wrote:
I do hope WMF taken NO action. We have learnt by similar cases, that the local communities(chapters) haves best insight in how to best proceed.
And things would evolve to be much worse if an non-turkish entity was to take action
Anders
Den 2017-04-29 kl. 12:45, skrev Rogol Domedonfors:
Presumably the WMF will be taking prompt, strong and effective action to protest against and reverse this decision? A case in the Constitutional Court, for example?
"Rogol"
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Mardetanha mardetanha.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
more info
https://turkeyblocks.org/2017/04/29/wikipedia-blocked-turkey/
Mardetanha
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < itzik@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:
Basak commented on Facebook: "In the news, it says that, Wikipedia
supports
global terrorism. The Turkish officials has been corresponding with wikipedia (?) but there is no answer. The site (most probably they mean English one) includes content that supports ISIS ."
http://mobil.hurriyet.com.tr/son-dakika-haberi-wikipediaya- erisim-engellendi-40441904
- Sent from mobile
On Apr 29, 2017 11:55, "Mardetanha" mardetanha.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
hopefully it would be technical mistake and will be lifted very soon.
Mardetanha
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < itzik@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:
Hey, > > FYI - sad news from Turkish. > > > > *Regards,Itzik Edri* > Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel > +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in > the
sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel itzik@wikimedia.org.il > Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM > Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia > To: Communications Committee wmfcc-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909 > > Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be soon all > over
the news. > > > --- > > *Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online > encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular websites.* > > It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed. > The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from 08:00 > (05:00
GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities. > People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any Wikipedia > pages
without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN). > "After technical analysis and legal consideration based on the Law > Nr.
5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this website,"
> Turkey's
> Information and Communication Technologies Authority was quoted as > saying.
> No reason was given. > Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet Daily News, > said
the provisional order would need to be backed by a full court ruling > in
the
> next few days. > > Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, with some > users
speculating that it might be a bid to suppress criticism on President
> Recep
> Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page. > Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April referendum on > increasing
his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country. > Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media sites including > Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the wake of mass > protests
or terror attacks. > The government has previously denied censoring the internet, blaming > outages on spikes in usage after major events. > > > > *Regards,Itzik Edri* > Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel > +972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> | http://www.wikimedia.org.il > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in > the
sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,
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-- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine
While editing the Turkey section of the Government censorship of Wikipedia page today,[1] I visited a Turkish-language source that was cited for earlier censorship actions.[2] When running the link through Google Translate, "Vikipedi" in the article title translated to "Wikileaks". Yikes.
- Pax
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_censorship_of_Wikipedia#Turkey [2] http://www.birgun.net/haber-detay/vikipedi-sansure-isyan-etti-83076.html
On 4/29/17 8:44 AM, James Heilman wrote:
Hey All
What are people's thoughts about a response by the movement?
Have started drafting something here https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Response_to_2017_ban_in_Turkey
Would appreciate peoples though and whether or not they think this is a good idea.
James
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:51 AM, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
What we can and should do is produce offline versions of Wikipedia content and promote them both in Turkey and to the media :-)
Will try to see about producing a beta version of a Turkish medical app today.
James
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 4:52 AM, Anders Wennersten < mail@anderswennersten.se> wrote:
I do hope WMF taken NO action. We have learnt by similar cases, that the local communities(chapters) haves best insight in how to best proceed.
And things would evolve to be much worse if an non-turkish entity was to take action
Anders
Den 2017-04-29 kl. 12:45, skrev Rogol Domedonfors:
Presumably the WMF will be taking prompt, strong and effective action to protest against and reverse this decision? A case in the Constitutional Court, for example?
"Rogol"
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Mardetanha mardetanha.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
more info
https://turkeyblocks.org/2017/04/29/wikipedia-blocked-turkey/
Mardetanha
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < itzik@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:
Basak commented on Facebook: "In the news, it says that, Wikipedia supports
global terrorism. The Turkish officials has been corresponding with wikipedia (?) but there is no answer. The site (most probably they mean English one) includes content that supports ISIS ."
http://mobil.hurriyet.com.tr/son-dakika-haberi-wikipediaya- erisim-engellendi-40441904
- Sent from mobile
On Apr 29, 2017 11:55, "Mardetanha" mardetanha.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
hopefully it would be technical mistake and will be lifted very soon. > Mardetanha > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < > itzik@wikimedia.org.il> wrote: > > Hey, >> FYI - sad news from Turkish. >> >> >> >> *Regards,Itzik Edri* >> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel >> +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in >> > the > sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel itzik@wikimedia.org.il >> Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM >> Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia >> To: Communications Committee wmfcc-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> >> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909 >> >> Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be soon all >> > over > the news. >> >> --- >> >> *Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online >> encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular websites.* >> >> It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed. >> The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from 08:00 >> > (05:00 > GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities. >> People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any Wikipedia >> > pages > without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN). >> "After technical analysis and legal consideration based on the Law >> > Nr. 5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this website," > Turkey's > >> Information and Communication Technologies Authority was quoted as >> > saying. > >> No reason was given. >> Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet Daily News, >> > said > the provisional order would need to be backed by a full court ruling > in the >> next few days. >> >> Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, with some >> > users speculating that it might be a bid to suppress criticism on President > Recep > >> Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page. >> Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April referendum on >> > increasing > his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country. >> Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media sites including >> Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the wake of mass >> > protests > or terror attacks. >> The government has previously denied censoring the internet, blaming >> outages on spikes in usage after major events. >> >> >> >> *Regards,Itzik Edri* >> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel >> +972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> | http://www.wikimedia.org.il >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in >> > the > sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >> wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >> wiki/Wikimedia-l >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ >> >
On 29 April 2017 at 09:43, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel itzik@wikimedia.org.il wrote:
Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online encyclopaedia Wikipedia
Worth watching this, for vandalism, while this is ongoing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey_Blocks
I added it on my watchlist and will protect if needed, but the Erdogan article already exploded from vandalism earlier today, and this one stays quiet, so I normally would not expect much of disruption.
Cheers Yaroslav
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On 29 April 2017 at 09:43, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel itzik@wikimedia.org.il wrote:
Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online encyclopaedia Wikipedia
Worth watching this, for vandalism, while this is ongoing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey_Blocks
-- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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I think the Foundation and the chapters *must* make a statement that decisively contradicts the reason of the block: That Wikipedia supports terrorism. There could be further texts in the statement which stresses our principle of neutrality and our goal to spread knowledge, but the first and most important statement is to contradict the accusation.
Ah some times I miss Jay, he would immediately recognize how important it is to make such a statement. When national newspapers and broadcasts are referring (I just heard the one in Deutschland Funk http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/dlf24-startseite.1441.de.html ) this event, there should be not only the accusation but always also a reaction.
Greetings
Ting
Am 29.04.2017 um 10:43 schrieb Itzik - Wikimedia Israel:
Hey,
FYI - sad news from Turkish.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel itzik@wikimedia.org.il Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia To: Communications Committee wmfcc-l@lists.wikimedia.org
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909
Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be soon all over the news.
*Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular websites.*
It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed. The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from 08:00 (05:00 GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities. People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any Wikipedia pages without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN). "After technical analysis and legal consideration based on the Law Nr. 5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this website," Turkey's Information and Communication Technologies Authority was quoted as saying. No reason was given. Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet Daily News, said the provisional order would need to be backed by a full court ruling in the next few days.
Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, with some users speculating that it might be a bid to suppress criticism on President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page. Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April referendum on increasing his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country. Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media sites including Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the wake of mass protests or terror attacks. The government has previously denied censoring the internet, blaming outages on spikes in usage after major events.
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+1 to Ting's idea about a statement
Also we can support from our corner sending tweets and e-mails to our local embassies. Our friends from Turkey or someone who speaks turkish can support us with a hasthag? I posted #WikipediaSansürlendi but maybe is incorrect.
Best,
2017-04-29 12:16 GMT-05:00 Ting Chen wing.philopp@gmx.de:
I think the Foundation and the chapters *must* make a statement that decisively contradicts the reason of the block: That Wikipedia supports terrorism. There could be further texts in the statement which stresses our principle of neutrality and our goal to spread knowledge, but the first and most important statement is to contradict the accusation.
Ah some times I miss Jay, he would immediately recognize how important it is to make such a statement. When national newspapers and broadcasts are referring (I just heard the one in Deutschland Funk http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/dlf24-startseite.1441.de.html ) this event, there should be not only the accusation but always also a reaction.
Greetings
Ting
Am 29.04.2017 um 10:43 schrieb Itzik - Wikimedia Israel:
Hey,
FYI - sad news from Turkish.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel itzik@wikimedia.org.il Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia To: Communications Committee wmfcc-l@lists.wikimedia.org
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909
Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be soon all over the news.
*Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular websites.*
It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed. The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from 08:00 (05:00 GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities. People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any Wikipedia pages without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN). "After technical analysis and legal consideration based on the Law Nr. 5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this website," Turkey's Information and Communication Technologies Authority was quoted as saying. No reason was given. Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet Daily News, said the provisional order would need to be backed by a full court ruling in the next few days.
Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, with some users speculating that it might be a bid to suppress criticism on President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page. Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April referendum on increasing his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country. Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media sites including Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the wake of mass protests or terror attacks. The government has previously denied censoring the internet, blaming outages on spikes in usage after major events.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik i/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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It is absolutely important to be clear that Wikipedia is impartial, or at least substantially so. This impartiality may be a threat to some, but it could be counter-productive to make statements which are not carefully thought through. Those who support repressive regimes can easily be pushed into an absolutist mindset.
On 29 Apr 2017 18:42, "Ivan Martínez" galaver@gmail.com wrote:
+1 to Ting's idea about a statement
Also we can support from our corner sending tweets and e-mails to our local embassies. Our friends from Turkey or someone who speaks turkish can support us with a hasthag? I posted #WikipediaSansürlendi but maybe is incorrect.
Best,
2017-04-29 12:16 GMT-05:00 Ting Chen wing.philopp@gmx.de:
I think the Foundation and the chapters *must* make a statement that decisively contradicts the reason of the block: That Wikipedia supports terrorism. There could be further texts in the statement which stresses
our
principle of neutrality and our goal to spread knowledge, but the first
and
most important statement is to contradict the accusation.
Ah some times I miss Jay, he would immediately recognize how important it is to make such a statement. When national newspapers and broadcasts are referring (I just heard the one in Deutschland Funk http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/dlf24-startseite.1441.de.html ) this
event,
there should be not only the accusation but always also a reaction.
Greetings
Ting
Am 29.04.2017 um 10:43 schrieb Itzik - Wikimedia Israel:
Hey,
FYI - sad news from Turkish.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
the
sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel itzik@wikimedia.org.il Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia To: Communications Committee wmfcc-l@lists.wikimedia.org
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909
Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be soon all
over
the news.
*Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular websites.*
It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed. The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from 08:00 (05:00 GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities. People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any Wikipedia pages without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN). "After technical analysis and legal consideration based on the Law Nr. 5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this website,"
Turkey's
Information and Communication Technologies Authority was quoted as
saying.
No reason was given. Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet Daily News, said the provisional order would need to be backed by a full court ruling in the next few days.
Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, with some users speculating that it might be a bid to suppress criticism on President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page. Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April referendum on
increasing
his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country. Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media sites including Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the wake of mass
protests
or terror attacks. The government has previously denied censoring the internet, blaming outages on spikes in usage after major events.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
the
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Richard I am not sure I am clear on what you mean. We are not impartial to everything. We oppose censorship and we oppose suppression of freedom of information. I think it is also perfectly fine to state that we as a movement oppose terrorism.
Made a few more adjustments to this statement on meta
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Response_to_2017_ban_in_Turkey
James
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Richard Farmbrough < richard@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
It is absolutely important to be clear that Wikipedia is impartial, or at least substantially so. This impartiality may be a threat to some, but it could be counter-productive to make statements which are not carefully thought through. Those who support repressive regimes can easily be pushed into an absolutist mindset.
On 29 Apr 2017 18:42, "Ivan Martínez" galaver@gmail.com wrote:
+1 to Ting's idea about a statement
Also we can support from our corner sending tweets and e-mails to our
local
embassies. Our friends from Turkey or someone who speaks turkish can support us with a hasthag? I posted #WikipediaSansürlendi but maybe is incorrect.
Best,
2017-04-29 12:16 GMT-05:00 Ting Chen wing.philopp@gmx.de:
I think the Foundation and the chapters *must* make a statement that decisively contradicts the reason of the block: That Wikipedia supports terrorism. There could be further texts in the statement which stresses
our
principle of neutrality and our goal to spread knowledge, but the first
and
most important statement is to contradict the accusation.
Ah some times I miss Jay, he would immediately recognize how important
it
is to make such a statement. When national newspapers and broadcasts
are
referring (I just heard the one in Deutschland Funk http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/dlf24-startseite.1441.de.html ) this
event,
there should be not only the accusation but always also a reaction.
Greetings
Ting
Am 29.04.2017 um 10:43 schrieb Itzik - Wikimedia Israel:
Hey,
FYI - sad news from Turkish.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
the
sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel itzik@wikimedia.org.il Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia To: Communications Committee wmfcc-l@lists.wikimedia.org
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909
Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be soon all
over
the news.
*Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular websites.*
It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed. The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from 08:00
(05:00
GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities. People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any Wikipedia
pages
without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN). "After technical analysis and legal consideration based on the Law Nr. 5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this website,"
Turkey's
Information and Communication Technologies Authority was quoted as
saying.
No reason was given. Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet Daily News,
said
the provisional order would need to be backed by a full court ruling
in
the next few days.
Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, with some users speculating that it might be a bid to suppress criticism on President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page. Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April referendum on
increasing
his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country. Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media sites including Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the wake of mass
protests
or terror attacks. The government has previously denied censoring the internet, blaming outages on spikes in usage after major events.
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"As a movement" is a phrase which I have trouble with. WhiIe left it is very easy to make apple pie statements with little fear of contradiction, I think it misees the point. We provide information, neutral information. Perhaps we hope as individuals this discourages rather than encourages certain forms of behaviour. But if we provided the information with the goal of, for example, opposing terrorism we would cease to be a neutral, reliable sourgent, thus defeating any such goal.
Conversely it is far more convincing to say that we don't support terrorism, that the statements are on their face absurd, that we clearly document the rise and fall of Isis, together with their actions both in the Middle East and the wider world, and tother encourage anyone who doubts this to read our articles on the subject.
On 29 Apr 2017 19:52, "James Heilman" jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
Richard I am not sure I am clear on what you mean. We are not impartial to everything. We oppose censorship and we oppose suppression of freedom of information. I think it is also perfectly fine to state that we as a movement oppose terrorism.
Made a few more adjustments to this statement on meta
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Response_to_2017_ban_in_Turkey
James
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Richard Farmbrough < richard@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
It is absolutely important to be clear that Wikipedia is impartial, or at least substantially so. This impartiality may be a threat to some, but
it
could be counter-productive to make statements which are not carefully thought through. Those who support repressive regimes can easily be
pushed
into an absolutist mindset.
On 29 Apr 2017 18:42, "Ivan Martínez" galaver@gmail.com wrote:
+1 to Ting's idea about a statement
Also we can support from our corner sending tweets and e-mails to our
local
embassies. Our friends from Turkey or someone who speaks turkish can support us with a hasthag? I posted #WikipediaSansürlendi but maybe is incorrect.
Best,
2017-04-29 12:16 GMT-05:00 Ting Chen wing.philopp@gmx.de:
I think the Foundation and the chapters *must* make a statement that decisively contradicts the reason of the block: That Wikipedia
supports
terrorism. There could be further texts in the statement which
stresses
our
principle of neutrality and our goal to spread knowledge, but the
first
and
most important statement is to contradict the accusation.
Ah some times I miss Jay, he would immediately recognize how
important
it
is to make such a statement. When national newspapers and broadcasts
are
referring (I just heard the one in Deutschland Funk http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/dlf24-startseite.1441.de.html ) this
event,
there should be not only the accusation but always also a reaction.
Greetings
Ting
Am 29.04.2017 um 10:43 schrieb Itzik - Wikimedia Israel:
Hey,
FYI - sad news from Turkish.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share
in
the
sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel itzik@wikimedia.org.il Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia To: Communications Committee wmfcc-l@lists.wikimedia.org
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909
Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be soon all
over
the news.
*Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular websites.*
It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed. The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from 08:00
(05:00
GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities. People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any Wikipedia
pages
without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN). "After technical analysis and legal consideration based on the Law
Nr.
5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this website,"
Turkey's
Information and Communication Technologies Authority was quoted as
saying.
No reason was given. Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet Daily News,
said
the provisional order would need to be backed by a full court ruling
in
the next few days.
Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, with some
users
speculating that it might be a bid to suppress criticism on
President
Recep Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page. Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April referendum on
increasing
his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country. Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media sites including Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the wake of mass
protests
or terror attacks. The government has previously denied censoring the internet, blaming outages on spikes in usage after major events.
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@ Richard Thank you. I have adjusted that sentence to "We do not support terrorism."
J
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Richard Farmbrough < richard@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
"As a movement" is a phrase which I have trouble with. WhiIe left it is very easy to make apple pie statements with little fear of contradiction, I think it misees the point. We provide information, neutral information. Perhaps we hope as individuals this discourages rather than encourages certain forms of behaviour. But if we provided the information with the goal of, for example, opposing terrorism we would cease to be a neutral, reliable sourgent, thus defeating any such goal.
Conversely it is far more convincing to say that we don't support terrorism, that the statements are on their face absurd, that we clearly document the rise and fall of Isis, together with their actions both in the Middle East and the wider world, and tother encourage anyone who doubts this to read our articles on the subject.
On 29 Apr 2017 19:52, "James Heilman" jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
Richard I am not sure I am clear on what you mean. We are not impartial
to
everything. We oppose censorship and we oppose suppression of freedom of information. I think it is also perfectly fine to state that we as a movement oppose terrorism.
Made a few more adjustments to this statement on meta
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Response_to_2017_ban_in_Turkey
James
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Richard Farmbrough < richard@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
It is absolutely important to be clear that Wikipedia is impartial, or
at
least substantially so. This impartiality may be a threat to some,
but
it
could be counter-productive to make statements which are not carefully thought through. Those who support repressive regimes can easily be
pushed
into an absolutist mindset.
On 29 Apr 2017 18:42, "Ivan Martínez" galaver@gmail.com wrote:
+1 to Ting's idea about a statement
Also we can support from our corner sending tweets and e-mails to our
local
embassies. Our friends from Turkey or someone who speaks turkish can support us with a hasthag? I posted #WikipediaSansürlendi but maybe
is
incorrect.
Best,
2017-04-29 12:16 GMT-05:00 Ting Chen wing.philopp@gmx.de:
I think the Foundation and the chapters *must* make a statement
that
decisively contradicts the reason of the block: That Wikipedia
supports
terrorism. There could be further texts in the statement which
stresses
our
principle of neutrality and our goal to spread knowledge, but the
first
and
most important statement is to contradict the accusation.
Ah some times I miss Jay, he would immediately recognize how
important
it
is to make such a statement. When national newspapers and
broadcasts
are
referring (I just heard the one in Deutschland Funk http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/dlf24-startseite.1441.de.html ) this
event,
there should be not only the accusation but always also a reaction.
Greetings
Ting
Am 29.04.2017 um 10:43 schrieb Itzik - Wikimedia Israel:
Hey,
FYI - sad news from Turkish.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share
in
the
sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel itzik@wikimedia.org.il Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia To: Communications Committee wmfcc-l@lists.wikimedia.org
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909
Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be soon
all
over
the news.
*Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular
websites.*
It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed. The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from 08:00
(05:00
GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities. People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any Wikipedia
pages
without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN). "After technical analysis and legal consideration based on the Law
Nr.
5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this website,"
Turkey's
Information and Communication Technologies Authority was quoted as
saying.
No reason was given. Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet Daily
News,
said
the provisional order would need to be backed by a full court
ruling
in
the next few days.
Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, with some
users
speculating that it might be a bid to suppress criticism on
President
Recep Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page. Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April referendum on
increasing
his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country. Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media sites
including
Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the wake of mass
protests
or terror attacks. The government has previously denied censoring the internet,
blaming
outages on spikes in usage after major events.
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If you cannot say who "We" are who do not support terrorism, then your statement is both meaningless and ineffectual. If you are specific, then "we" need to know why you feel able to speak for "us".
"Rogol"
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:33 PM, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
@ Richard Thank you. I have adjusted that sentence to "We do not support terrorism."
J
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Richard Farmbrough < richard@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
"As a movement" is a phrase which I have trouble with. WhiIe left it is very easy to make apple pie statements with little fear of
contradiction, I
think it misees the point. We provide information, neutral information. Perhaps we hope as individuals this discourages rather than encourages certain forms of behaviour. But if we provided the information with the goal of, for example, opposing terrorism we would cease to be a neutral, reliable sourgent, thus defeating any such goal.
Conversely it is far more convincing to say that we don't support terrorism, that the statements are on their face absurd, that we clearly document the rise and fall of Isis, together with their actions both in
the
Middle East and the wider world, and tother encourage anyone who doubts this to read our articles on the subject.
On 29 Apr 2017 19:52, "James Heilman" jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
Richard I am not sure I am clear on what you mean. We are not impartial
to
everything. We oppose censorship and we oppose suppression of freedom
of
information. I think it is also perfectly fine to state that we as a movement oppose terrorism.
Made a few more adjustments to this statement on meta
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Response_to_2017_ban_in_Turkey
James
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Richard Farmbrough < richard@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
It is absolutely important to be clear that Wikipedia is impartial,
or
at
least substantially so. This impartiality may be a threat to some,
but
it
could be counter-productive to make statements which are not
carefully
thought through. Those who support repressive regimes can easily be
pushed
into an absolutist mindset.
On 29 Apr 2017 18:42, "Ivan Martínez" galaver@gmail.com wrote:
+1 to Ting's idea about a statement
Also we can support from our corner sending tweets and e-mails to
our
local
embassies. Our friends from Turkey or someone who speaks turkish
can
support us with a hasthag? I posted #WikipediaSansürlendi but maybe
is
incorrect.
Best,
2017-04-29 12:16 GMT-05:00 Ting Chen wing.philopp@gmx.de:
I think the Foundation and the chapters *must* make a statement
that
decisively contradicts the reason of the block: That Wikipedia
supports
terrorism. There could be further texts in the statement which
stresses
our
principle of neutrality and our goal to spread knowledge, but the
first
and
most important statement is to contradict the accusation.
Ah some times I miss Jay, he would immediately recognize how
important
it
is to make such a statement. When national newspapers and
broadcasts
are
referring (I just heard the one in Deutschland Funk http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/dlf24-startseite.1441.de.html )
this
event,
there should be not only the accusation but always also a
reaction.
Greetings
Ting
Am 29.04.2017 um 10:43 schrieb Itzik - Wikimedia Israel:
> Hey, > > FYI - sad news from Turkish. > > > > *Regards,Itzik Edri* > Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel > +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely
share
in
the
> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel itzik@wikimedia.org.il > Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM > Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia > To: Communications Committee wmfcc-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909 > > Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be soon
all
over
> the news. > > > --- > > *Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online > encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular
websites.*
> > It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed. > The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from
08:00
(05:00
> GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities. > People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any
Wikipedia
pages
> without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN). > "After technical analysis and legal consideration based on the
Law
Nr.
> 5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this
website,"
Turkey's
> Information and Communication Technologies Authority was quoted
as
saying.
> No reason was given. > Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet Daily
News,
said
> the provisional order would need to be backed by a full court
ruling
in
> the > next few days. > > Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, with some
users
> speculating that it might be a bid to suppress criticism on
President
> Recep > Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page. > Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April referendum on
increasing
> his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country. > Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media sites
including
> Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the wake of mass
protests
> or terror attacks. > The government has previously denied censoring the internet,
blaming
> outages on spikes in usage after major events. > > > > *Regards,Itzik Edri* > Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel > +972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> |
> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely
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Primarily this is those who sign the statement on meta.
On 29 Apr 2017 20:41, "Rogol Domedonfors" domedonfors@gmail.com wrote:
James
If you cannot say who "We" are who do not support terrorism, then your statement is both meaningless and ineffectual. If you are specific, then "we" need to know why you feel able to speak for "us".
"Rogol"
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:33 PM, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
@ Richard Thank you. I have adjusted that sentence to "We do not support terrorism."
J
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Richard Farmbrough < richard@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
"As a movement" is a phrase which I have trouble with. WhiIe left it
is
very easy to make apple pie statements with little fear of
contradiction, I
think it misees the point. We provide information, neutral
information.
Perhaps we hope as individuals this discourages rather than encourages certain forms of behaviour. But if we provided the information with the goal of, for example, opposing terrorism we would cease to be a
neutral,
reliable sourgent, thus defeating any such goal.
Conversely it is far more convincing to say that we don't support terrorism, that the statements are on their face absurd, that we
clearly
document the rise and fall of Isis, together with their actions both in
the
Middle East and the wider world, and tother encourage anyone who doubts this to read our articles on the subject.
On 29 Apr 2017 19:52, "James Heilman" jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
Richard I am not sure I am clear on what you mean. We are not
impartial
to
everything. We oppose censorship and we oppose suppression of freedom
of
information. I think it is also perfectly fine to state that we as a movement oppose terrorism.
Made a few more adjustments to this statement on meta
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Response_to_2017_ban_in_Turkey
James
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Richard Farmbrough < richard@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
It is absolutely important to be clear that Wikipedia is impartial,
or
at
least substantially so. This impartiality may be a threat to
some,
but
it
could be counter-productive to make statements which are not
carefully
thought through. Those who support repressive regimes can easily
be
pushed
into an absolutist mindset.
On 29 Apr 2017 18:42, "Ivan Martínez" galaver@gmail.com wrote:
+1 to Ting's idea about a statement
Also we can support from our corner sending tweets and e-mails to
our
local
embassies. Our friends from Turkey or someone who speaks turkish
can
support us with a hasthag? I posted #WikipediaSansürlendi but
maybe
is
incorrect.
Best,
2017-04-29 12:16 GMT-05:00 Ting Chen wing.philopp@gmx.de:
> I think the Foundation and the chapters *must* make a statement
that
> decisively contradicts the reason of the block: That Wikipedia
supports
> terrorism. There could be further texts in the statement which
stresses
our > principle of neutrality and our goal to spread knowledge, but
the
first
and > most important statement is to contradict the accusation. > > Ah some times I miss Jay, he would immediately recognize how
important
it
> is to make such a statement. When national newspapers and
broadcasts
are
> referring (I just heard the one in Deutschland Funk > http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/dlf24-startseite.1441.de.html )
this
event, > there should be not only the accusation but always also a
reaction.
> > Greetings > > Ting > > > > Am 29.04.2017 um 10:43 schrieb Itzik - Wikimedia Israel: > >> Hey, >> >> FYI - sad news from Turkish. >> >> >> >> *Regards,Itzik Edri* >> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel >> +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely
share
in
the >> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel itzik@wikimedia.org.il >> Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM >> Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia >> To: Communications Committee wmfcc-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> >> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909 >> >> Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be
soon
all
over >> the news. >> >> >> --- >> >> *Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the
online
>> encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular
websites.*
>> >> It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed. >> The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from
08:00
(05:00
>> GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities. >> People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any
Wikipedia
pages
>> without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN). >> "After technical analysis and legal consideration based on the
Law
Nr.
>> 5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this
website,"
Turkey's >> Information and Communication Technologies Authority was
quoted
as
saying. >> No reason was given. >> Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet Daily
News,
said
>> the provisional order would need to be backed by a full court
ruling
in
>> the >> next few days. >> >> Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, with
some
users
>> speculating that it might be a bid to suppress criticism on
President
>> Recep >> Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page. >> Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April referendum on increasing >> his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country. >> Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media sites
including
>> Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the wake of
mass
protests >> or terror attacks. >> The government has previously denied censoring the internet,
blaming
>> outages on spikes in usage after major events. >> >> >> >> *Regards,Itzik Edri* >> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel >> +972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> |
>> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely
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in
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@ Rogol
The beginning reads "We, the undersigned members of the Wikimedia movement" It is the "we" who have signed the statement that I am refering to.
James
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Richard Farmbrough < richard@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
Primarily this is those who sign the statement on meta.
On 29 Apr 2017 20:41, "Rogol Domedonfors" domedonfors@gmail.com wrote:
James
If you cannot say who "We" are who do not support terrorism, then your statement is both meaningless and ineffectual. If you are specific, then "we" need to know why you feel able to speak for "us".
"Rogol"
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:33 PM, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
@ Richard Thank you. I have adjusted that sentence to "We do not
support
terrorism."
J
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Richard Farmbrough < richard@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
"As a movement" is a phrase which I have trouble with. WhiIe left it
is
very easy to make apple pie statements with little fear of
contradiction, I
think it misees the point. We provide information, neutral
information.
Perhaps we hope as individuals this discourages rather than
encourages
certain forms of behaviour. But if we provided the information with
the
goal of, for example, opposing terrorism we would cease to be a
neutral,
reliable sourgent, thus defeating any such goal.
Conversely it is far more convincing to say that we don't support terrorism, that the statements are on their face absurd, that we
clearly
document the rise and fall of Isis, together with their actions both
in
the
Middle East and the wider world, and tother encourage anyone who
doubts
this to read our articles on the subject.
On 29 Apr 2017 19:52, "James Heilman" jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
Richard I am not sure I am clear on what you mean. We are not
impartial
to
everything. We oppose censorship and we oppose suppression of
freedom
of
information. I think it is also perfectly fine to state that we as
a
movement oppose terrorism.
Made a few more adjustments to this statement on meta
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Response_to_2017_ban_in_Turkey
James
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Richard Farmbrough < richard@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
It is absolutely important to be clear that Wikipedia is
impartial,
or
at
least substantially so. This impartiality may be a threat to
some,
but
it
could be counter-productive to make statements which are not
carefully
thought through. Those who support repressive regimes can easily
be
pushed
into an absolutist mindset.
On 29 Apr 2017 18:42, "Ivan Martínez" galaver@gmail.com wrote:
> +1 to Ting's idea about a statement > > Also we can support from our corner sending tweets and e-mails
to
our
local > embassies. Our friends from Turkey or someone who speaks
turkish
can
> support us with a hasthag? I posted #WikipediaSansürlendi but
maybe
is
> incorrect. > > Best, > > 2017-04-29 12:16 GMT-05:00 Ting Chen wing.philopp@gmx.de: > > > I think the Foundation and the chapters *must* make a
statement
that
> > decisively contradicts the reason of the block: That
Wikipedia
supports
> > terrorism. There could be further texts in the statement
which
stresses
> our > > principle of neutrality and our goal to spread knowledge, but
the
first
> and > > most important statement is to contradict the accusation. > > > > Ah some times I miss Jay, he would immediately recognize how
important
it > > is to make such a statement. When national newspapers and
broadcasts
are > > referring (I just heard the one in Deutschland Funk > > http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/dlf24-startseite.1441.de.html
)
this
> event, > > there should be not only the accusation but always also a
reaction.
> > > > Greetings > > > > Ting > > > > > > > > Am 29.04.2017 um 10:43 schrieb Itzik - Wikimedia Israel: > > > >> Hey, > >> > >> FYI - sad news from Turkish. > >> > >> > >> > >> *Regards,Itzik Edri* > >> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel > >> +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il > >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely
share
in
> the > >> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! > >> > >> > >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >> From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel itzik@wikimedia.org.il > >> Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM > >> Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia > >> To: Communications Committee wmfcc-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> > >> > >> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909 > >> > >> Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be
soon
all
> over > >> the news. > >> > >> > >> --- > >> > >> *Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the
online
> >> encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular
websites.*
> >> > >> It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed. > >> The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from
08:00
(05:00 > >> GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities. > >> People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any
Wikipedia
pages > >> without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN). > >> "After technical analysis and legal consideration based on
the
Law
Nr.
> >> 5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this
website,"
> Turkey's > >> Information and Communication Technologies Authority was
quoted
as
> saying. > >> No reason was given. > >> Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet
Daily
News,
said > >> the provisional order would need to be backed by a full
court
ruling
in > >> the > >> next few days. > >> > >> Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, with
some
users
> >> speculating that it might be a bid to suppress criticism on
President
> >> Recep > >> Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page. > >> Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April referendum
on
> increasing > >> his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country. > >> Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media sites
including
> >> Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the wake of
mass
> protests > >> or terror attacks. > >> The government has previously denied censoring the internet,
blaming
> >> outages on spikes in usage after major events. > >> > >> > >> > >> *Regards,Itzik Edri* > >> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel > >> +972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> |
> >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely
share
in
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Richard
Then you want to say "We the undersigned do not [etc]". Of course the implication is that everyone else does ...
"Rogol"
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Richard Farmbrough < richard@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
Primarily this is those who sign the statement on meta.
On 29 Apr 2017 20:41, "Rogol Domedonfors" domedonfors@gmail.com wrote:
James
If you cannot say who "We" are who do not support terrorism, then your statement is both meaningless and ineffectual. If you are specific, then "we" need to know why you feel able to speak for "us".
"Rogol"
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:33 PM, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
@ Richard Thank you. I have adjusted that sentence to "We do not
support
terrorism."
J
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Richard Farmbrough < richard@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
"As a movement" is a phrase which I have trouble with. WhiIe left it
is
very easy to make apple pie statements with little fear of
contradiction, I
think it misees the point. We provide information, neutral
information.
Perhaps we hope as individuals this discourages rather than
encourages
certain forms of behaviour. But if we provided the information with
the
goal of, for example, opposing terrorism we would cease to be a
neutral,
reliable sourgent, thus defeating any such goal.
Conversely it is far more convincing to say that we don't support terrorism, that the statements are on their face absurd, that we
clearly
document the rise and fall of Isis, together with their actions both
in
the
Middle East and the wider world, and tother encourage anyone who
doubts
this to read our articles on the subject.
On 29 Apr 2017 19:52, "James Heilman" jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
Richard I am not sure I am clear on what you mean. We are not
impartial
to
everything. We oppose censorship and we oppose suppression of
freedom
of
information. I think it is also perfectly fine to state that we as
a
movement oppose terrorism.
Made a few more adjustments to this statement on meta
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Response_to_2017_ban_in_Turkey
James
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Richard Farmbrough < richard@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
It is absolutely important to be clear that Wikipedia is
impartial,
or
at
least substantially so. This impartiality may be a threat to
some,
but
it
could be counter-productive to make statements which are not
carefully
thought through. Those who support repressive regimes can easily
be
pushed
into an absolutist mindset.
On 29 Apr 2017 18:42, "Ivan Martínez" galaver@gmail.com wrote:
> +1 to Ting's idea about a statement > > Also we can support from our corner sending tweets and e-mails
to
our
local > embassies. Our friends from Turkey or someone who speaks
turkish
can
> support us with a hasthag? I posted #WikipediaSansürlendi but
maybe
is
> incorrect. > > Best, > > 2017-04-29 12:16 GMT-05:00 Ting Chen wing.philopp@gmx.de: > > > I think the Foundation and the chapters *must* make a
statement
that
> > decisively contradicts the reason of the block: That
Wikipedia
supports
> > terrorism. There could be further texts in the statement
which
stresses
> our > > principle of neutrality and our goal to spread knowledge, but
the
first
> and > > most important statement is to contradict the accusation. > > > > Ah some times I miss Jay, he would immediately recognize how
important
it > > is to make such a statement. When national newspapers and
broadcasts
are > > referring (I just heard the one in Deutschland Funk > > http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/dlf24-startseite.1441.de.html
)
this
> event, > > there should be not only the accusation but always also a
reaction.
> > > > Greetings > > > > Ting > > > > > > > > Am 29.04.2017 um 10:43 schrieb Itzik - Wikimedia Israel: > > > >> Hey, > >> > >> FYI - sad news from Turkish. > >> > >> > >> > >> *Regards,Itzik Edri* > >> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel > >> +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il > >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely
share
in
> the > >> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! > >> > >> > >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >> From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel itzik@wikimedia.org.il > >> Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM > >> Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia > >> To: Communications Committee wmfcc-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> > >> > >> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909 > >> > >> Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it will be
soon
all
> over > >> the news. > >> > >> > >> --- > >> > >> *Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the
online
> >> encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most popular
websites.*
> >> > >> It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed. > >> The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible from
08:00
(05:00 > >> GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities. > >> People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access any
Wikipedia
pages > >> without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN). > >> "After technical analysis and legal consideration based on
the
Law
Nr.
> >> 5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this
website,"
> Turkey's > >> Information and Communication Technologies Authority was
quoted
as
> saying. > >> No reason was given. > >> Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet
Daily
News,
said > >> the provisional order would need to be backed by a full
court
ruling
in > >> the > >> next few days. > >> > >> Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, with
some
users
> >> speculating that it might be a bid to suppress criticism on
President
> >> Recep > >> Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page. > >> Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April referendum
on
> increasing > >> his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country. > >> Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media sites
including
> >> Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the wake of
mass
> protests > >> or terror attacks. > >> The government has previously denied censoring the internet,
blaming
> >> outages on spikes in usage after major events. > >> > >> > >> > >> *Regards,Itzik Edri* > >> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel > >> +972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> |
> >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely
share
in
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False dichotomy Cheers, P
-----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Rogol Domedonfors Sent: Saturday, 29 April 2017 9:46 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia
Richard
Then you want to say "We the undersigned do not [etc]". Of course the implication is that everyone else does ...
"Rogol"
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Richard Farmbrough < richard@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
Primarily this is those who sign the statement on meta.
On 29 Apr 2017 20:41, "Rogol Domedonfors" domedonfors@gmail.com wrote:
James
If you cannot say who "We" are who do not support terrorism, then your statement is both meaningless and ineffectual. If you are specific, then "we" need to know why you feel able to speak for "us".
"Rogol"
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:33 PM, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
@ Richard Thank you. I have adjusted that sentence to "We do not
support
terrorism."
J
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Richard Farmbrough < richard@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
"As a movement" is a phrase which I have trouble with. WhiIe left it
is
very easy to make apple pie statements with little fear of
contradiction, I
think it misees the point. We provide information, neutral
information.
Perhaps we hope as individuals this discourages rather than
encourages
certain forms of behaviour. But if we provided the information with
the
goal of, for example, opposing terrorism we would cease to be a
neutral,
reliable sourgent, thus defeating any such goal.
Conversely it is far more convincing to say that we don't support terrorism, that the statements are on their face absurd, that we
clearly
document the rise and fall of Isis, together with their actions both
in
the
Middle East and the wider world, and tother encourage anyone who
doubts
this to read our articles on the subject.
On 29 Apr 2017 19:52, "James Heilman" jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
Richard I am not sure I am clear on what you mean. We are not
impartial
to
everything. We oppose censorship and we oppose suppression of
freedom
of
information. I think it is also perfectly fine to state that we as
a
movement oppose terrorism.
Made a few more adjustments to this statement on meta
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Response_to_2017_ban_in_Turkey
James
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Richard Farmbrough < richard@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
It is absolutely important to be clear that Wikipedia is
impartial,
or
at
least substantially so. This impartiality may be a threat to
some,
but
it
could be counter-productive to make statements which are not
carefully
thought through. Those who support repressive regimes can easily
be
pushed
into an absolutist mindset.
On 29 Apr 2017 18:42, "Ivan Martínez" galaver@gmail.com wrote:
> +1 to Ting's idea about a statement > > Also we can support from our corner sending tweets and > e-mails
to
our
local > embassies. Our friends from Turkey or someone who speaks
turkish
can
> support us with a hasthag? I posted #WikipediaSansürlendi > but
maybe
is
> incorrect. > > Best, > > 2017-04-29 12:16 GMT-05:00 Ting Chen wing.philopp@gmx.de: > > > I think the Foundation and the chapters *must* make a
statement
that
> > decisively contradicts the reason of the block: That
Wikipedia
supports
> > terrorism. There could be further texts in the statement
which
stresses
> our > > principle of neutrality and our goal to spread > > knowledge, but
the
first
> and > > most important statement is to contradict the accusation. > > > > Ah some times I miss Jay, he would immediately recognize > > how
important
it > > is to make such a statement. When national newspapers > > and
broadcasts
are > > referring (I just heard the one in Deutschland Funk > > http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/dlf24-startseite.1441.de.h > > tml
)
this
> event, > > there should be not only the accusation but always also > > a
reaction.
> > > > Greetings > > > > Ting > > > > > > > > Am 29.04.2017 um 10:43 schrieb Itzik - Wikimedia Israel: > > > >> Hey, > >> > >> FYI - sad news from Turkish. > >> > >> > >> > >> *Regards,Itzik Edri* > >> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel > >> +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il > >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can > >> freely
share
in
> the > >> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! > >> > >> > >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >> From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel itzik@wikimedia.org.il > >> Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM > >> Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia > >> To: Communications Committee > >> wmfcc-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> > >> > >> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909 > >> > >> Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it > >> will be
soon
all
> over > >> the news. > >> > >> > >> --- > >> > >> *Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to > >> the
online
> >> encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most > >> popular
websites.*
> >> > >> It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed. > >> The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible > >> from
08:00
(05:00 > >> GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities. > >> People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access > >> any
Wikipedia
pages > >> without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN). > >> "After technical analysis and legal consideration based > >> on
the
Law
Nr.
> >> 5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this
website,"
> Turkey's > >> Information and Communication Technologies Authority > >> was
quoted
as
> saying. > >> No reason was given. > >> Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet
Daily
News,
said > >> the provisional order would need to be backed by a full
court
ruling
in > >> the > >> next few days. > >> > >> Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, > >> with
some
users
> >> speculating that it might be a bid to suppress > >> criticism on
President
> >> Recep > >> Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page. > >> Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April > >> referendum
on
> increasing > >> his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country. > >> Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media > >> sites
including
> >> Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the > >> wake of
mass
> protests > >> or terror attacks. > >> The government has previously denied censoring the > >> internet,
blaming
> >> outages on spikes in usage after major events. > >> > >> > >> > >> *Regards,Itzik Edri* > >> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel > >> +972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> |
> >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can > >> freely
share
in
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On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Peter Southwood < peter.southwood@telkomsa.net> wrote:
False dichotomy Cheers, P
-----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Rogol Domedonfors Sent: Saturday, 29 April 2017 9:46 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia
Richard
Then you want to say "We the undersigned do not [etc]". Of course the implication is that everyone else does ...
"Rogol"
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Richard Farmbrough < richard@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
Primarily this is those who sign the statement on meta.
On 29 Apr 2017 20:41, "Rogol Domedonfors" domedonfors@gmail.com wrote:
James
If you cannot say who "We" are who do not support terrorism, then your statement is both meaningless and ineffectual. If you are specific, then "we" need to know why you feel able to speak for "us".
"Rogol"
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:33 PM, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com
wrote:
@ Richard Thank you. I have adjusted that sentence to "We do not
support
terrorism."
J
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Richard Farmbrough < richard@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
"As a movement" is a phrase which I have trouble with. WhiIe left it
is
very easy to make apple pie statements with little fear of
contradiction, I
think it misees the point. We provide information, neutral
information.
Perhaps we hope as individuals this discourages rather than
encourages
certain forms of behaviour. But if we provided the information with
the
goal of, for example, opposing terrorism we would cease to be a
neutral,
reliable sourgent, thus defeating any such goal.
Conversely it is far more convincing to say that we don't support terrorism, that the statements are on their face absurd, that we
clearly
document the rise and fall of Isis, together with their actions both
in
the
Middle East and the wider world, and tother encourage anyone who
doubts
this to read our articles on the subject.
On 29 Apr 2017 19:52, "James Heilman" jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
Richard I am not sure I am clear on what you mean. We are not
impartial
to
everything. We oppose censorship and we oppose suppression of
freedom
of
information. I think it is also perfectly fine to state that we as
a
movement oppose terrorism.
Made a few more adjustments to this statement on meta
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Response_to_2017_ban_in_Turkey
James
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Richard Farmbrough < richard@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
> It is absolutely important to be clear that Wikipedia is
impartial,
or
at
> least substantially so. This impartiality may be a threat > to
some,
but
it > could be counter-productive to make statements which are not
carefully
> thought through. Those who support repressive regimes can > easily
be
pushed > into an absolutist mindset. > > > On 29 Apr 2017 18:42, "Ivan Martínez" galaver@gmail.com
wrote:
> > > +1 to Ting's idea about a statement > > > > Also we can support from our corner sending tweets and > > e-mails
to
our
> local > > embassies. Our friends from Turkey or someone who speaks
turkish
can
> > support us with a hasthag? I posted #WikipediaSansürlendi > > but
maybe
is
> > incorrect. > > > > Best, > > > > 2017-04-29 12:16 GMT-05:00 Ting Chen wing.philopp@gmx.de: > > > > > I think the Foundation and the chapters *must* make a
statement
that
> > > decisively contradicts the reason of the block: That
Wikipedia
supports > > > terrorism. There could be further texts in the statement
which
stresses > > our > > > principle of neutrality and our goal to spread > > > knowledge, but
the
first > > and > > > most important statement is to contradict the accusation. > > > > > > Ah some times I miss Jay, he would immediately recognize > > > how important > it > > > is to make such a statement. When national newspapers > > > and
broadcasts
> are > > > referring (I just heard the one in Deutschland Funk > > > http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/dlf24-startseite.1441.de.h > > > tml
)
this
> > event, > > > there should be not only the accusation but always also > > > a
reaction.
> > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > Ting > > > > > > > > > > > > Am 29.04.2017 um 10:43 schrieb Itzik - Wikimedia Israel: > > > > > >> Hey, > > >> > > >> FYI - sad news from Turkish. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> *Regards,Itzik Edri* > > >> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel > > >> +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il > > >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can > > >> freely
share
in > > the > > >> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! > > >> > > >> > > >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > >> From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel itzik@wikimedia.org.il > > >> Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM > > >> Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia > > >> To: Communications Committee > > >> wmfcc-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > >> > > >> > > >> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909 > > >> > > >> Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it > > >> will be
soon
all
> > over > > >> the news. > > >> > > >> > > >> --- > > >> > > >> *Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to > > >> the
online
> > >> encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most > > >> popular
websites.*
> > >> > > >> It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed. > > >> The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible > > >> from
08:00
> (05:00 > > >> GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities. > > >> People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access > > >> any
Wikipedia
> pages > > >> without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN). > > >> "After technical analysis and legal consideration based > > >> on
the
Law
Nr. > > >> 5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this
website,"
> > Turkey's > > >> Information and Communication Technologies Authority > > >> was
quoted
as
> > saying. > > >> No reason was given. > > >> Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet
Daily
News,
> said > > >> the provisional order would need to be backed by a full
court
ruling
> in > > >> the > > >> next few days. > > >> > > >> Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, > > >> with
some
users > > >> speculating that it might be a bid to suppress > > >> criticism on President > > >> Recep > > >> Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page. > > >> Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April > > >> referendum
on
> > increasing > > >> his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the country. > > >> Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media > > >> sites
including
> > >> Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the > > >> wake of
mass
> > protests > > >> or terror attacks. > > >> The government has previously denied censoring the > > >> internet,
blaming
> > >> outages on spikes in usage after major events. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> *Regards,Itzik Edri* > > >> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel > > >> +972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> |
> > >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can > > >> freely
share
in > > the > > >> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik > > >> i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and
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tener
una
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Thanks Juliet.
All: maybe it's good to wait with 'community statements' until the official WMF statement comes with some more facts? That would probably help with reducing mixed messaging. Especially in a volatile situation like this, where pushing the wrong buttons could potentially make things... more complicated.
Thanks, Lodewijk
2017-04-29 23:11 GMT+02:00 Juliet Barbara jbarbara@wikimedia.org:
Thank you, everyone, for your messages regarding the situation in Turkey. As you can imagine, this has been a very busy time for the Wikimedia Foundation's Legal, Communications, Technical Operations, and Community Engagement departments, and we apologize for not being able to respond to Wikimedia-l sooner.
We are planning to publish a statement on the Wikimedia blog soon. In the meantime, we have been handling media and other inquiries with the following short statement, which we shared with the Communications Committee (ComCom) earlier this morning:
"The Wikimedia Foundation has learned that access to Wikipedia has been blocked in Turkey as of Saturday, April 29th. Wikipedia is a rich and valuable source of neutral, reliable information in hundreds of languages, written by volunteers around the world. We are committed to ensuring that Wikipedia remains available to the millions of people who rely on it in Turkey. To that end, we are actively working with outside counsel to seek judicial review of the decision affecting access to Wikipedia. We hope the issue can be resolved promptly."
We will continue to do our best to monitor this discussion, but I ask for your patience as we are managing inquiries coming in from multiple places.
If you are receiving media inquiries about this, please contact press@wikimedia.org and we will be able to assist you. At this point, we believe that the most valuable point Wikimedians can make on behalf of Wikipedia is explaining its value as an educational resource.
Thank you!
Juliet
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Peter Southwood < peter.southwood@telkomsa.net> wrote:
False dichotomy Cheers, P
-----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Rogol Domedonfors Sent: Saturday, 29 April 2017 9:46 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block
Wikipedia
Richard
Then you want to say "We the undersigned do not [etc]". Of course the implication is that everyone else does ...
"Rogol"
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Richard Farmbrough < richard@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
Primarily this is those who sign the statement on meta.
On 29 Apr 2017 20:41, "Rogol Domedonfors" domedonfors@gmail.com
wrote:
James
If you cannot say who "We" are who do not support terrorism, then your statement is both meaningless and ineffectual. If you are specific, then "we" need to know why you feel able to speak for "us".
"Rogol"
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:33 PM, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com
wrote:
@ Richard Thank you. I have adjusted that sentence to "We do not
support
terrorism."
J
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Richard Farmbrough < richard@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
"As a movement" is a phrase which I have trouble with. WhiIe left it
is
very easy to make apple pie statements with little fear of
contradiction, I
think it misees the point. We provide information, neutral
information.
Perhaps we hope as individuals this discourages rather than
encourages
certain forms of behaviour. But if we provided the information with
the
goal of, for example, opposing terrorism we would cease to be a
neutral,
reliable sourgent, thus defeating any such goal.
Conversely it is far more convincing to say that we don't support terrorism, that the statements are on their face absurd, that we
clearly
document the rise and fall of Isis, together with their actions both
in
the
Middle East and the wider world, and tother encourage anyone who
doubts
this to read our articles on the subject.
On 29 Apr 2017 19:52, "James Heilman" jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
> Richard I am not sure I am clear on what you mean. We are not
impartial
to > everything. We oppose censorship and we oppose suppression of
freedom
of
> information. I think it is also perfectly fine to state that > we as
a
> movement oppose terrorism. > > Made a few more adjustments to this statement on meta > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Response_to_2017_ban_in_Turkey > > James > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Richard Farmbrough < > richard@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote: > > > It is absolutely important to be clear that Wikipedia is
impartial,
or
at > > least substantially so. This impartiality may be a threat > > to
some,
but > it > > could be counter-productive to make statements which are not
carefully
> > thought through. Those who support repressive regimes can > > easily
be
> pushed > > into an absolutist mindset. > > > > > > On 29 Apr 2017 18:42, "Ivan Martínez" galaver@gmail.com
wrote:
> > > > > +1 to Ting's idea about a statement > > > > > > Also we can support from our corner sending tweets and > > > e-mails
to
our
> > local > > > embassies. Our friends from Turkey or someone who speaks
turkish
can
> > > support us with a hasthag? I posted #WikipediaSansürlendi > > > but
maybe
is > > > incorrect. > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > 2017-04-29 12:16 GMT-05:00 Ting Chen <wing.philopp@gmx.de
:
> > > > > > > I think the Foundation and the chapters *must* make a
statement
that > > > > decisively contradicts the reason of the block: That
Wikipedia
> supports > > > > terrorism. There could be further texts in the statement
which
> stresses > > > our > > > > principle of neutrality and our goal to spread > > > > knowledge, but
the
> first > > > and > > > > most important statement is to contradict the accusation. > > > > > > > > Ah some times I miss Jay, he would immediately recognize > > > > how > important > > it > > > > is to make such a statement. When national newspapers > > > > and broadcasts > > are > > > > referring (I just heard the one in Deutschland Funk > > > > http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/dlf24-startseite.1441.de.h > > > > tml
)
this
> > > event, > > > > there should be not only the accusation but always also > > > > a
reaction.
> > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > > > Ting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am 29.04.2017 um 10:43 schrieb Itzik - Wikimedia Israel: > > > > > > > >> Hey, > > > >> > > > >> FYI - sad news from Turkish. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> *Regards,Itzik Edri* > > > >> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel > > > >> +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il > > > >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can > > > >> freely
share
> in > > > the > > > >> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > >> From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel itzik@wikimedia.org.il > > > >> Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM > > > >> Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia > > > >> To: Communications Committee > > > >> wmfcc-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909 > > > >> > > > >> Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it > > > >> will be
soon
all > > > over > > > >> the news. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> --- > > > >> > > > >> *Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to > > > >> the
online
> > > >> encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most > > > >> popular websites.* > > > >> > > > >> It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed. > > > >> The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible > > > >> from
08:00
> > (05:00 > > > >> GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities. > > > >> People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access > > > >> any
Wikipedia
> > pages > > > >> without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN). > > > >> "After technical analysis and legal consideration based > > > >> on
the
Law
> Nr. > > > >> 5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this
website,"
> > > Turkey's > > > >> Information and Communication Technologies Authority > > > >> was
quoted
as
> > > saying. > > > >> No reason was given. > > > >> Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet
Daily
News, > > said > > > >> the provisional order would need to be backed by a full
court
ruling > > in > > > >> the > > > >> next few days. > > > >> > > > >> Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, > > > >> with
some
> users > > > >> speculating that it might be a bid to suppress > > > >> criticism on > President > > > >> Recep > > > >> Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page. > > > >> Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April > > > >> referendum
on
> > > increasing > > > >> his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the
country.
> > > >> Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media > > > >> sites including > > > >> Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the > > > >> wake of
mass
> > > protests > > > >> or terror attacks. > > > >> The government has previously denied censoring the > > > >> internet, blaming > > > >> outages on spikes in usage after major events. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> *Regards,Itzik Edri* > > > >> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel > > > >> +972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> | http://www.wikimedia.org.il > > > >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can > > > >> freely
share
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Thanks for the update! I guess people will support WMFs decisions in this case!
John
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:11 PM, Juliet Barbara jbarbara@wikimedia.org wrote:
Thank you, everyone, for your messages regarding the situation in Turkey. As you can imagine, this has been a very busy time for the Wikimedia Foundation's Legal, Communications, Technical Operations, and Community Engagement departments, and we apologize for not being able to respond to Wikimedia-l sooner.
We are planning to publish a statement on the Wikimedia blog soon. In the meantime, we have been handling media and other inquiries with the following short statement, which we shared with the Communications Committee (ComCom) earlier this morning:
"The Wikimedia Foundation has learned that access to Wikipedia has been blocked in Turkey as of Saturday, April 29th. Wikipedia is a rich and valuable source of neutral, reliable information in hundreds of languages, written by volunteers around the world. We are committed to ensuring that Wikipedia remains available to the millions of people who rely on it in Turkey. To that end, we are actively working with outside counsel to seek judicial review of the decision affecting access to Wikipedia. We hope the issue can be resolved promptly."
We will continue to do our best to monitor this discussion, but I ask for your patience as we are managing inquiries coming in from multiple places.
If you are receiving media inquiries about this, please contact press@wikimedia.org and we will be able to assist you. At this point, we believe that the most valuable point Wikimedians can make on behalf of Wikipedia is explaining its value as an educational resource.
Thank you!
Juliet
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Peter Southwood < peter.southwood@telkomsa.net> wrote:
False dichotomy Cheers, P
-----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Rogol Domedonfors Sent: Saturday, 29 April 2017 9:46 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block
Wikipedia
Richard
Then you want to say "We the undersigned do not [etc]". Of course the implication is that everyone else does ...
"Rogol"
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Richard Farmbrough < richard@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
Primarily this is those who sign the statement on meta.
On 29 Apr 2017 20:41, "Rogol Domedonfors" domedonfors@gmail.com
wrote:
James
If you cannot say who "We" are who do not support terrorism, then your statement is both meaningless and ineffectual. If you are specific, then "we" need to know why you feel able to speak for "us".
"Rogol"
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:33 PM, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com
wrote:
@ Richard Thank you. I have adjusted that sentence to "We do not
support
terrorism."
J
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Richard Farmbrough < richard@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
"As a movement" is a phrase which I have trouble with. WhiIe left it
is
very easy to make apple pie statements with little fear of
contradiction, I
think it misees the point. We provide information, neutral
information.
Perhaps we hope as individuals this discourages rather than
encourages
certain forms of behaviour. But if we provided the information with
the
goal of, for example, opposing terrorism we would cease to be a
neutral,
reliable sourgent, thus defeating any such goal.
Conversely it is far more convincing to say that we don't support terrorism, that the statements are on their face absurd, that we
clearly
document the rise and fall of Isis, together with their actions both
in
the
Middle East and the wider world, and tother encourage anyone who
doubts
this to read our articles on the subject.
On 29 Apr 2017 19:52, "James Heilman" jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
> Richard I am not sure I am clear on what you mean. We are not
impartial
to > everything. We oppose censorship and we oppose suppression of
freedom
of
> information. I think it is also perfectly fine to state that > we as
a
> movement oppose terrorism. > > Made a few more adjustments to this statement on meta > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Response_to_2017_ban_in_Turkey > > James > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Richard Farmbrough < > richard@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote: > > > It is absolutely important to be clear that Wikipedia is
impartial,
or
at > > least substantially so. This impartiality may be a threat > > to
some,
but > it > > could be counter-productive to make statements which are not
carefully
> > thought through. Those who support repressive regimes can > > easily
be
> pushed > > into an absolutist mindset. > > > > > > On 29 Apr 2017 18:42, "Ivan Martínez" galaver@gmail.com
wrote:
> > > > > +1 to Ting's idea about a statement > > > > > > Also we can support from our corner sending tweets and > > > e-mails
to
our
> > local > > > embassies. Our friends from Turkey or someone who speaks
turkish
can
> > > support us with a hasthag? I posted #WikipediaSansürlendi > > > but
maybe
is > > > incorrect. > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > 2017-04-29 12:16 GMT-05:00 Ting Chen <wing.philopp@gmx.de
:
> > > > > > > I think the Foundation and the chapters *must* make a
statement
that > > > > decisively contradicts the reason of the block: That
Wikipedia
> supports > > > > terrorism. There could be further texts in the statement
which
> stresses > > > our > > > > principle of neutrality and our goal to spread > > > > knowledge, but
the
> first > > > and > > > > most important statement is to contradict the accusation. > > > > > > > > Ah some times I miss Jay, he would immediately recognize > > > > how > important > > it > > > > is to make such a statement. When national newspapers > > > > and broadcasts > > are > > > > referring (I just heard the one in Deutschland Funk > > > > http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/dlf24-startseite.1441.de.h > > > > tml
)
this
> > > event, > > > > there should be not only the accusation but always also > > > > a
reaction.
> > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > > > Ting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am 29.04.2017 um 10:43 schrieb Itzik - Wikimedia Israel: > > > > > > > >> Hey, > > > >> > > > >> FYI - sad news from Turkish. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> *Regards,Itzik Edri* > > > >> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel > > > >> +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il > > > >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can > > > >> freely
share
> in > > > the > > > >> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > >> From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel itzik@wikimedia.org.il > > > >> Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM > > > >> Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia > > > >> To: Communications Committee > > > >> wmfcc-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909 > > > >> > > > >> Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it > > > >> will be
soon
all > > > over > > > >> the news. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> --- > > > >> > > > >> *Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to > > > >> the
online
> > > >> encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most > > > >> popular websites.* > > > >> > > > >> It was not initially clear why the ban had been imposed. > > > >> The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible > > > >> from
08:00
> > (05:00 > > > >> GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities. > > > >> People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access > > > >> any
Wikipedia
> > pages > > > >> without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN). > > > >> "After technical analysis and legal consideration based > > > >> on
the
Law
> Nr. > > > >> 5651, an administrative measure has been taken for this
website,"
> > > Turkey's > > > >> Information and Communication Technologies Authority > > > >> was
quoted
as
> > > saying. > > > >> No reason was given. > > > >> Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the Hurriyet
Daily
News, > > said > > > >> the provisional order would need to be backed by a full
court
ruling > > in > > > >> the > > > >> next few days. > > > >> > > > >> Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, > > > >> with
some
> users > > > >> speculating that it might be a bid to suppress > > > >> criticism on > President > > > >> Recep > > > >> Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page. > > > >> Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April > > > >> referendum
on
> > > increasing > > > >> his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the
country.
> > > >> Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media > > > >> sites including > > > >> Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the > > > >> wake of
mass
> > > protests > > > >> or terror attacks. > > > >> The government has previously denied censoring the > > > >> internet, blaming > > > >> outages on spikes in usage after major events. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> *Regards,Itzik Edri* > > > >> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel > > > >> +972-54-5878078 <+972%2054-587-8078> | http://www.wikimedia.org.il > > > >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can > > > >> freely
share
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Lodewijk -Thanks for your suggestion. We would totally agree!
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 3:53 PM, John Erling Blad jeblad@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for the update! I guess people will support WMFs decisions in this case!
John
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Thank you, everyone, for your messages regarding the situation in Turkey. As you can imagine, this has been a very busy time for the Wikimedia Foundation's Legal, Communications, Technical Operations, and Community Engagement departments, and we apologize for not being able to respond to Wikimedia-l sooner.
We are planning to publish a statement on the Wikimedia blog soon. In the meantime, we have been handling media and other inquiries with the following short statement, which we shared with the Communications Committee (ComCom) earlier this morning:
"The Wikimedia Foundation has learned that access to Wikipedia has been blocked in Turkey as of Saturday, April 29th. Wikipedia is a rich and valuable source of neutral, reliable information in hundreds of
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written by volunteers around the world. We are committed to ensuring that Wikipedia remains available to the millions of people who rely on it in Turkey. To that end, we are actively working with outside counsel to seek judicial review of the decision affecting access to Wikipedia. We hope
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On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Peter Southwood < peter.southwood@telkomsa.net> wrote:
False dichotomy Cheers, P
-----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Rogol Domedonfors Sent: Saturday, 29 April 2017 9:46 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block
Wikipedia
Richard
Then you want to say "We the undersigned do not [etc]". Of course the implication is that everyone else does ...
"Rogol"
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Richard Farmbrough < richard@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
Primarily this is those who sign the statement on meta.
On 29 Apr 2017 20:41, "Rogol Domedonfors" domedonfors@gmail.com
wrote:
James
If you cannot say who "We" are who do not support terrorism, then your statement is both meaningless and ineffectual. If you are specific, then "we" need to know why you feel able to speak for
"us".
"Rogol"
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:33 PM, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com
wrote:
@ Richard Thank you. I have adjusted that sentence to "We do not
support
terrorism."
J
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Richard Farmbrough < richard@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:
> "As a movement" is a phrase which I have trouble with. WhiIe > left it
is
> very easy to make apple pie statements with little fear of contradiction, I > think it misees the point. We provide information, neutral
information.
> Perhaps we hope as individuals this discourages rather than
encourages
> certain forms of behaviour. But if we provided the information > with
the
> goal of, for example, opposing terrorism we would cease to be a
neutral,
> reliable sourgent, thus defeating any such goal. > > Conversely it is far more convincing to say that we don't > support terrorism, that the statements are on their face
absurd,
> that we
clearly
> document the rise and fall of Isis, together with their actions > both
in
the > Middle East and the wider world, and tother encourage anyone
who
doubts
> this to read our articles on the subject. > > On 29 Apr 2017 19:52, "James Heilman" jmh649@gmail.com
wrote:
> > > Richard I am not sure I am clear on what you mean. We are not
impartial
> to > > everything. We oppose censorship and we oppose suppression of
freedom
of > > information. I think it is also perfectly fine to state that > > we as
a
> > movement oppose terrorism. > > > > Made a few more adjustments to this statement on meta > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Response_to_2017_ban_in_
Turkey
> > > > James > > > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Richard Farmbrough < > > richard@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > It is absolutely important to be clear that Wikipedia is
impartial,
or > at > > > least substantially so. This impartiality may be a threat > > > to
some,
> but > > it > > > could be counter-productive to make statements which are
not
carefully > > > thought through. Those who support repressive regimes can > > > easily
be
> > pushed > > > into an absolutist mindset. > > > > > > > > > On 29 Apr 2017 18:42, "Ivan Martínez" galaver@gmail.com
wrote:
> > > > > > > +1 to Ting's idea about a statement > > > > > > > > Also we can support from our corner sending tweets and > > > > e-mails
to
our > > > local > > > > embassies. Our friends from Turkey or someone who speaks
turkish
can > > > > support us with a hasthag? I posted #WikipediaSansürlendi > > > > but
maybe
> is > > > > incorrect. > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > 2017-04-29 12:16 GMT-05:00 Ting Chen <
wing.philopp@gmx.de
:
> > > > > > > > > I think the Foundation and the chapters *must* make a
statement
> that > > > > > decisively contradicts the reason of the block: That
Wikipedia
> > supports > > > > > terrorism. There could be further texts in the
statement
which
> > stresses > > > > our > > > > > principle of neutrality and our goal to spread > > > > > knowledge, but
the
> > first > > > > and > > > > > most important statement is to contradict the
accusation.
> > > > > > > > > > Ah some times I miss Jay, he would immediately
recognize
> > > > > how > > important > > > it > > > > > is to make such a statement. When national newspapers > > > > > and > broadcasts > > > are > > > > > referring (I just heard the one in Deutschland Funk > > > > > http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/
dlf24-startseite.1441.de.h
> > > > > tml
)
this > > > > event, > > > > > there should be not only the accusation but always also > > > > > a reaction. > > > > > > > > > > Greetings > > > > > > > > > > Ting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am 29.04.2017 um 10:43 schrieb Itzik - Wikimedia
Israel:
> > > > > > > > > >> Hey, > > > > >> > > > > >> FYI - sad news from Turkish. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> *Regards,Itzik Edri* > > > > >> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel > > > > >> +972-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il > > > > >> Imagine a world in which every single human being can > > > > >> freely share > > in > > > > the > > > > >> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > > >> From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
itzik@wikimedia.org.il>
> > > > >> Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM > > > > >> Subject: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia > > > > >> To: Communications Committee > > > > >> wmfcc-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909 > > > > >> > > > > >> Reuters just published that a 15 minutes ago, so it > > > > >> will be
soon
> all > > > > over > > > > >> the news. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> --- > > > > >> > > > > >> *Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to > > > > >> the
online
> > > > >> encyclopaedia Wikipedia, one of the world's most > > > > >> popular > websites.* > > > > >> > > > > >> It was not initially clear why the ban had been
imposed.
> > > > >> The Turkey Blocks group said the site was inaccessible > > > > >> from 08:00 > > > (05:00 > > > > >> GMT) by order of the Turkish authorities. > > > > >> People in the capital Istanbul were unable to access > > > > >> any Wikipedia > > > pages > > > > >> without using a Virtual Private Network (VPN). > > > > >> "After technical analysis and legal consideration
based
> > > > >> on
the
Law > > Nr. > > > > >> 5651, an administrative measure has been taken for
this
website," > > > > Turkey's > > > > >> Information and Communication Technologies Authority > > > > >> was
quoted
as > > > > saying. > > > > >> No reason was given. > > > > >> Turkey Blocks and Turkish media, including the
Hurriyet
Daily
> News, > > > said > > > > >> the provisional order would need to be backed by a
full
court
> ruling > > > in > > > > >> the > > > > >> next few days. > > > > >> > > > > >> Social media was in uproar as news of the ban emerged, > > > > >> with
some
> > users > > > > >> speculating that it might be a bid to suppress > > > > >> criticism on > > President > > > > >> Recep > > > > >> Tayyip Erdogan's Wikipedia page. > > > > >> Mr Erdogan narrowly won a controversial 16 April > > > > >> referendum
on
> > > > increasing > > > > >> his powers, but the issue has deeply divided the
country.
> > > > >> Turkey has temporarily blocked popular social media > > > > >> sites > including > > > > >> Facebook and Twitter in the past, especially in the > > > > >> wake of
mass
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On 29 April 2017 at 22:11, Juliet Barbara jbarbara@wikimedia.org wrote:
Thank you, everyone, for your messages regarding the situation in Turkey. As you can imagine, this has been a very busy time for the Wikimedia Foundation's Legal, Communications, Technical Operations, and Community Engagement departments, and we apologize for not being able to respond to Wikimedia-l sooner.
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Thank you!
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FWIW the two articles the Turkish state is apparently complaining about are:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#Turkey
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_involvement_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War#Tu...
This is a great way for them to ensure the rest of the world sees those articles. Sort of. Bit inconveniencing to everyone actually IN Turkey...
-I
On 30/04/17 12:40, geni wrote:
FWIW the two articles the Turkish state is apparently complaining about are:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#Turkey
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_involvement_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War#Tu...
Greetings,
We wanted to share with you all a blog post and more detailed statement we have just published: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/04/30/turkish-authorities-block-wikipedia/ https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/04/30/turkish-authorities-block-wikipedia/
Thank you, everyone, for your patience!
-greg
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On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:51 AM, Isarra Yos zhorishna@gmail.com wrote:
This is a great way for them to ensure the rest of the world sees those articles. Sort of. Bit inconveniencing to everyone actually IN Turkey...
-I
On 30/04/17 12:40, geni wrote:
FWIW the two articles the Turkish state is apparently complaining about are:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#Turkey
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_involvement_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War#Tu...
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Now on the front page of the New York Times website: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/30/world/europe/turkey-purge-wikipedia-tv-da...
Wikipedia was mentioned, but not highlighted, by the BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39759050
Pine
The Wikipedia aspect was highlighted on the BBC and other sites in earlier stories, before the other events happened.
Thanks, Pharos
On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Now on the front page of the New York Times website: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/30/world/europe/turkey- purge-wikipedia-tv-dating-shows.html
Wikipedia was mentioned, but not highlighted, by the BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39759050
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The Wikipedia aspect was highlighted on the BBC and other sites in earlier stories, before the other events happened.
Thanks, Pharos
On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Now on the front page of the New York Times website: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/30/world/europe/turkey- purge-wikipedia-tv-dating-shows.html
Wikipedia was mentioned, but not highlighted, by the BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39759050
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