---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Deryck Chan" deryckchan@gmail.com Date: 29 Apr 2013 12:42 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone To: cfranklin@halonetwork.net Cc: "Wikimedia Mailing List" wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
See the footnotes on the FDC decision page. Both WMHK and WMCZ were declared eligible at the time of submission, but the WMF subsequently found new faults during the review period which they chose to use as convenient excuses to disqualify these 2 chapters. On 29 Apr 2013 12:33, "Craig Franklin" cfranklin@halonetwork.net wrote:
I'd like to come back to this - if the entity was told they were eligible (which certainly looks to be the case from the public documents), when was it discovered they were not? Obviously, putting together an FDC application is a tremendous amount of work for a chapter, and if the effort was futile from the start, then the time that Deryck and WMHK put into this could have been better spent on useful programme work instead.
Cheers, Craig Franklin
On 29 April 2013 17:25, Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonewiki@gmail.com wrote:
On 29 Apr 2013, at 07:52, Tilman Bayer tbayer@wikimedia.org wrote:
I'm not familiar with the case, but reading that page, it seems that
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:WM_HK/Education_Toolkits_For_Lib...
might also have played a role for the FDC's recommendation?
Indeed, yet it looks like there has been no (public) follow up by the
paid
WMF grants staff for over a month. In addition,
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Proposals/2012-2013_round2/Wikime... to still be an eligible entity.
Winifred/Asaf, please can you clarify whether WMHK is still an eligible entity and what follow up was done after that message a month ago?
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Deryck please could you confirm what happened with regards to the unused funds - did WMHK request a reallocation?
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On 29 Apr 2013, at 12:43, Deryck Chan deryckchan@wikimedia.hk wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Deryck Chan" deryckchan@gmail.com Date: 29 Apr 2013 12:42 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone To: cfranklin@halonetwork.net Cc: "Wikimedia Mailing List" wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
See the footnotes on the FDC decision page. Both WMHK and WMCZ were declared eligible at the time of submission, but the WMF subsequently found new faults during the review period which they chose to use as convenient excuses to disqualify these 2 chapters. On 29 Apr 2013 12:33, "Craig Franklin" cfranklin@halonetwork.net wrote:
I'd like to come back to this - if the entity was told they were eligible (which certainly looks to be the case from the public documents), when was it discovered they were not? Obviously, putting together an FDC application is a tremendous amount of work for a chapter, and if the effort was futile from the start, then the time that Deryck and WMHK put into this could have been better spent on useful programme work instead.
Cheers, Craig Franklin
On 29 April 2013 17:25, Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonewiki@gmail.com wrote:
On 29 Apr 2013, at 07:52, Tilman Bayer tbayer@wikimedia.org wrote:
I'm not familiar with the case, but reading that page, it seems that
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:WM_HK/Education_Toolkits_For_Lib...
might also have played a role for the FDC's recommendation?
Indeed, yet it looks like there has been no (public) follow up by the
paid
WMF grants staff for over a month. In addition,
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Proposals/2012-2013_round2/Wikime... to still be an eligible entity.
Winifred/Asaf, please can you clarify whether WMHK is still an eligible entity and what follow up was done after that message a month ago?
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On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 4:50 AM, Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonewiki@gmail.com wrote:
Deryck please could you confirm what happened with regards to the unused funds - did WMHK request a reallocation?
It seem that instead of "unused funds", your question should be reworded to "unaccounted funds" or "funds not used for the stated purpose". That the missing USD 5981 had not been used (and were still sitting in WMHK's bank account) appears to have been the assumption in December when the WMF grants administrator accepted the report for the grant and suggested to offset the amount against an upcoming grant for the chapter. But on February 28 - on the eve of the FDC proposal deadline - Deryck responded explaining that the money had in fact already been used for purposes not mentioned in the grant report.
Apart from that, your question seems valid: The path subsequently suggested by the grants administrator to resolve the situation (while indicating implications regarding the chapter's FDC proposal) was to request a reallocation while explaining what the money was spent for, so it is relevant to know whether it was taken.
Again, I'm not familiar with this case and am going purely by the text on the linked page.
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On 29 Apr 2013, at 12:43, Deryck Chan deryckchan@wikimedia.hk wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Deryck Chan" deryckchan@gmail.com Date: 29 Apr 2013 12:42 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone To: cfranklin@halonetwork.net Cc: "Wikimedia Mailing List" wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
See the footnotes on the FDC decision page. Both WMHK and WMCZ were declared eligible at the time of submission, but the WMF subsequently found new faults during the review period which they chose to use as convenient excuses to disqualify these 2 chapters. On 29 Apr 2013 12:33, "Craig Franklin" cfranklin@halonetwork.net wrote:
I'd like to come back to this - if the entity was told they were eligible (which certainly looks to be the case from the public documents), when was it discovered they were not? Obviously, putting together an FDC application is a tremendous amount of work for a chapter, and if the effort was futile from the start, then the time that Deryck and WMHK put into this could have been better spent on useful programme work instead.
Cheers, Craig Franklin
On 29 April 2013 17:25, Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonewiki@gmail.com wrote:
On 29 Apr 2013, at 07:52, Tilman Bayer tbayer@wikimedia.org wrote:
I'm not familiar with the case, but reading that page, it seems that
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:WM_HK/Education_Toolkits_For_Lib...
might also have played a role for the FDC's recommendation?
Indeed, yet it looks like there has been no (public) follow up by the
paid
WMF grants staff for over a month. In addition,
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Proposals/2012-2013_round2/Wikime... to still be an eligible entity.
Winifred/Asaf, please can you clarify whether WMHK is still an eligible entity and what follow up was done after that message a month ago?
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