Dear all,
I am writing on behalf of the Community Affairs Committee of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees [1] to invite you to give feedback on the draft Procedure for Sibling Project Lifecycle from today until the end of the day on June 23, 2024 (anywhere on Earth). This is a long read; thank you in advance for your attention to its details.
== Terminology: what are “Sibling Projects”? ==
The term “Sister Project” has historically been used to describe all the publicly available wikis (“Wikimedia Projects”) operated by the Wikimedia Foundation, including Wikipedia, Wikimedia Commons, Wikidata, and others [2]. Some community members have also used the term “Sister Project” in the context of language versions of the same wiki, such as English Wikipedia, Bengali Wikipedia, etc., or Vietnamese Wikisource, Catalan Wikisource, etc. Still, other community members have interpreted “Sister Projects” as synonymous with “WikiProjects”, such as English:Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history or Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings.
To address the confusion and to disambiguate the terms, a working term - “Sibling Projects” - will be used to distinguish separate content projects (wikis) from language variants of the same content project. Under this naming scheme, Wikipedia, Wikisource and Wikidata are “Sibling Projects”. Thus, the French Wikisource and Polish Wikisource would be “language versions (French and Polish) of the same Sibling Project (Wikisource)”. This is a working terminology, and it might change.
== Context ==
Historically, when Wikimedia Siblings started to be added to Wikipedia, there was a surge of new projects, sometimes with and sometimes without strategic or clear goals. At that time, the Wikimedia Foundation Board was approving new Sibling projects (for example, Wikivoyage [3], Abstract Wikipedia [4]). There is a separate committee (Language Committee) that makes decisions on whether a new language version (subdomain) of existing Wikimedia projects can be opened [5]. Still, there was nothing for other “kinds of Wikimedia projects”. Since 2021, the responsibility to “address new (...) site applications, including creating a formalized procedure, from application to approval/disapproval” is the mandate of the Community Affairs Committee (CAC), a Wikimedia Foundation Board Committee [6].
In the last 10 years, the Wikimedia Foundation Board has become cautious about opening new Sibling Projects because of a lack of clear strategy around approval, maintenance, and closure, a lack of understanding of their impact, and questions around their sustainability in light of the Foundation's mostly flat budget [7]. In addition, the technical work necessary to maintain different Sibling Projects has often stretched the Wikimedia Foundation’s capacity.
A little over a year ago, CAC created a Task Force [8] to help the Wikimedia Foundation develop a direction on if, how, what, and when to invest in the opening of new Sibling Projects, in order “to make sure that any newly approved project is set up for success, and has the resources it needs to function well” [9]. The Foundation needs to understand better what services it would need to commit to this process while taking into account the organization's limited capacity and budget. This task has to be addressed in cooperation with the Product & Technology Department of the Wikimedia Foundation, led by the Chief Product & Technology Officer, Selena Deckelmann.
=== Assessment ===
To make space for the inflow of innovative ideas while maintaining and continuing support for the existing Sibling Projects, it is important to establish a clear process for the Sibling Projects’ lifecycle.
The application evaluation process preceding “opening a new Sibling Project” will require considerable time as well as financial and human resources, which needs quantification. An assessment of the needed investment in the technology could be significant depending on the scope of the proposed project (for example, Wikifunctions [10] needs very different resources than a new project that uses standard mediawiki installations), especially in cases of possible maintenance of the project in perpetuity. Evaluating a new application to validate the concept, its impact on the existing Wikimedia technical ecosystem, the human and financial resourcing implications, and future maintenance costs will be time-consuming and might need considerably more staff.
At the same time, an evaluation of the existing Sibling Projects needs to occur as not all are meeting their potential with promoting the Movement's mission. We need to develop an evaluation process for a Sibling Project's success and sustainability. We also need clearly defined approaches for splitting, merging, sunsetting, and/or possibly adopting Sibling Projects by different organisations.
== How to provide feedback ==
Your feedback is warmly welcome. The feedback can be given from today until the end of the day on June 23, 2024 (anywhere on Earth). We hope that a fairly long feedback period will allow for rich discussions without feeling rushed. There are several ways that you can provide feedback:
-
Review the page here, on Meta [11] and leave comments on the talk page. -
Join open calls (May 23 at 02:00 to 03:00 UTC and May 30 at 16:00 to 17:00 UTC) [12] -
Request a conversation as a part of Talking:2024 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Talking:_2024 by using the Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/Talking: 2024#Let’s Talk|Let’s Talk https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Talking:_2024#Let's_talk feature to sign up for a time to speak with me and other trustees about this topic.
Kind regards,
Victoria Doronina, Task Force Lead
On behalf of the Community Affairs Committee of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Commi...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_sister_projects
[3] https://diff.wikimedia.org/2013/01/15/wikimedia-foundation-launches-wikivoya...
[4] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Abstract_Wikipedia
[5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee
[6] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Affairs_Committee_Charter
[7] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2023-2024/F...
[8] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Commi...
[9] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Proposals_for_new_projects#From_the_Boa...
[10] https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Wikifunctions:About
[11] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Commi...
[12]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_...
Hello,
Thank you to everybody who is engaging in the discussion on Meta.
This is a reminder that there is a call on Procedure for Sibling Project Lifecycle coming up! Join us: Thursday, 23 May at 02:00 UTC.
You can request the Zoom link by emailing askcac@wikimedia.org.
Or sign up here on Meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_...
On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 1:00 PM Victoria Doronina vdoronina@wikimedia.org wrote:
Dear all,
I am writing on behalf of the Community Affairs Committee of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees [1] to invite you to give feedback on the draft Procedure for Sibling Project Lifecycle from today until the end of the day on June 23, 2024 (anywhere on Earth). This is a long read; thank you in advance for your attention to its details.
== Terminology: what are “Sibling Projects”? ==
The term “Sister Project” has historically been used to describe all the publicly available wikis (“Wikimedia Projects”) operated by the Wikimedia Foundation, including Wikipedia, Wikimedia Commons, Wikidata, and others [2]. Some community members have also used the term “Sister Project” in the context of language versions of the same wiki, such as English Wikipedia, Bengali Wikipedia, etc., or Vietnamese Wikisource, Catalan Wikisource, etc. Still, other community members have interpreted “Sister Projects” as synonymous with “WikiProjects”, such as English:Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history or Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings.
To address the confusion and to disambiguate the terms, a working term - “Sibling Projects” - will be used to distinguish separate content projects (wikis) from language variants of the same content project. Under this naming scheme, Wikipedia, Wikisource and Wikidata are “Sibling Projects”. Thus, the French Wikisource and Polish Wikisource would be “language versions (French and Polish) of the same Sibling Project (Wikisource)”. This is a working terminology, and it might change.
== Context ==
Historically, when Wikimedia Siblings started to be added to Wikipedia, there was a surge of new projects, sometimes with and sometimes without strategic or clear goals. At that time, the Wikimedia Foundation Board was approving new Sibling projects (for example, Wikivoyage [3], Abstract Wikipedia [4]). There is a separate committee (Language Committee) that makes decisions on whether a new language version (subdomain) of existing Wikimedia projects can be opened [5]. Still, there was nothing for other “kinds of Wikimedia projects”. Since 2021, the responsibility to “address new (...) site applications, including creating a formalized procedure, from application to approval/disapproval” is the mandate of the Community Affairs Committee (CAC), a Wikimedia Foundation Board Committee [6].
In the last 10 years, the Wikimedia Foundation Board has become cautious about opening new Sibling Projects because of a lack of clear strategy around approval, maintenance, and closure, a lack of understanding of their impact, and questions around their sustainability in light of the Foundation's mostly flat budget [7]. In addition, the technical work necessary to maintain different Sibling Projects has often stretched the Wikimedia Foundation’s capacity.
A little over a year ago, CAC created a Task Force [8] to help the Wikimedia Foundation develop a direction on if, how, what, and when to invest in the opening of new Sibling Projects, in order “to make sure that any newly approved project is set up for success, and has the resources it needs to function well” [9]. The Foundation needs to understand better what services it would need to commit to this process while taking into account the organization's limited capacity and budget. This task has to be addressed in cooperation with the Product & Technology Department of the Wikimedia Foundation, led by the Chief Product & Technology Officer, Selena Deckelmann.
=== Assessment ===
To make space for the inflow of innovative ideas while maintaining and continuing support for the existing Sibling Projects, it is important to establish a clear process for the Sibling Projects’ lifecycle.
The application evaluation process preceding “opening a new Sibling Project” will require considerable time as well as financial and human resources, which needs quantification. An assessment of the needed investment in the technology could be significant depending on the scope of the proposed project (for example, Wikifunctions [10] needs very different resources than a new project that uses standard mediawiki installations), especially in cases of possible maintenance of the project in perpetuity. Evaluating a new application to validate the concept, its impact on the existing Wikimedia technical ecosystem, the human and financial resourcing implications, and future maintenance costs will be time-consuming and might need considerably more staff.
At the same time, an evaluation of the existing Sibling Projects needs to occur as not all are meeting their potential with promoting the Movement's mission. We need to develop an evaluation process for a Sibling Project's success and sustainability. We also need clearly defined approaches for splitting, merging, sunsetting, and/or possibly adopting Sibling Projects by different organisations.
== How to provide feedback ==
Your feedback is warmly welcome. The feedback can be given from today until the end of the day on June 23, 2024 (anywhere on Earth). We hope that a fairly long feedback period will allow for rich discussions without feeling rushed. There are several ways that you can provide feedback:
Review the page here, on Meta [11] and leave comments on the talk page.
Join open calls (May 23 at 02:00 to 03:00 UTC and May 30 at 16:00 to 17:00 UTC) [12]
Request a conversation as a part of Talking:2024 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Talking:_2024 by using the Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/Talking: 2024#Let’s Talk|Let’s Talk https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Talking:_2024#Let's_talk feature to sign up for a time to speak with me and other trustees about this topic.
Kind regards,
Victoria Doronina, Task Force Lead
On behalf of the Community Affairs Committee of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Commi...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_sister_projects
[3] https://diff.wikimedia.org/2013/01/15/wikimedia-foundation-launches-wikivoya...
[4] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Abstract_Wikipedia
[5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee
[6] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Affairs_Committee_Charter
[7] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2023-2024/F...
[8] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Commi...
[9] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Proposals_for_new_projects#From_the_Boa...
[10] https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Wikifunctions:About
[11] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Commi...
[12]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_...
Kind regards, Victoria Victoria Doroninahttps://wikimediafoundation.org/profile/dr-victoria-doronina/ Trustee Sister Projects Taskforce Lead
Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/
Imagine a world in which everyone can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Please help us make it a reality.
Thanks for organizing this. ! SJ
On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 5:13 AM Victoria Doronina vdoronina@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello,
Thank you to everybody who is engaging in the discussion on Meta.
This is a reminder that there is a call on Procedure for Sibling Project Lifecycle coming up! Join us: Thursday, 23 May at 02:00 UTC.
You can request the Zoom link by emailing askcac@wikimedia.org.
Or sign up here on Meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_...
On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 1:00 PM Victoria Doronina vdoronina@wikimedia.org wrote:
Dear all,
I am writing on behalf of the Community Affairs Committee of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees [1] to invite you to give feedback on the draft Procedure for Sibling Project Lifecycle from today until the end of the day on June 23, 2024 (anywhere on Earth). This is a long read; thank you in advance for your attention to its details.
== Terminology: what are “Sibling Projects”? ==
The term “Sister Project” has historically been used to describe all the publicly available wikis (“Wikimedia Projects”) operated by the Wikimedia Foundation, including Wikipedia, Wikimedia Commons, Wikidata, and others [2]. Some community members have also used the term “Sister Project” in the context of language versions of the same wiki, such as English Wikipedia, Bengali Wikipedia, etc., or Vietnamese Wikisource, Catalan Wikisource, etc. Still, other community members have interpreted “Sister Projects” as synonymous with “WikiProjects”, such as English:Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history or Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings.
To address the confusion and to disambiguate the terms, a working term - “Sibling Projects” - will be used to distinguish separate content projects (wikis) from language variants of the same content project. Under this naming scheme, Wikipedia, Wikisource and Wikidata are “Sibling Projects”. Thus, the French Wikisource and Polish Wikisource would be “language versions (French and Polish) of the same Sibling Project (Wikisource)”. This is a working terminology, and it might change.
== Context ==
Historically, when Wikimedia Siblings started to be added to Wikipedia, there was a surge of new projects, sometimes with and sometimes without strategic or clear goals. At that time, the Wikimedia Foundation Board was approving new Sibling projects (for example, Wikivoyage [3], Abstract Wikipedia [4]). There is a separate committee (Language Committee) that makes decisions on whether a new language version (subdomain) of existing Wikimedia projects can be opened [5]. Still, there was nothing for other “kinds of Wikimedia projects”. Since 2021, the responsibility to “address new (...) site applications, including creating a formalized procedure, from application to approval/disapproval” is the mandate of the Community Affairs Committee (CAC), a Wikimedia Foundation Board Committee [6].
In the last 10 years, the Wikimedia Foundation Board has become cautious about opening new Sibling Projects because of a lack of clear strategy around approval, maintenance, and closure, a lack of understanding of their impact, and questions around their sustainability in light of the Foundation's mostly flat budget [7]. In addition, the technical work necessary to maintain different Sibling Projects has often stretched the Wikimedia Foundation’s capacity.
A little over a year ago, CAC created a Task Force [8] to help the Wikimedia Foundation develop a direction on if, how, what, and when to invest in the opening of new Sibling Projects, in order “to make sure that any newly approved project is set up for success, and has the resources it needs to function well” [9]. The Foundation needs to understand better what services it would need to commit to this process while taking into account the organization's limited capacity and budget. This task has to be addressed in cooperation with the Product & Technology Department of the Wikimedia Foundation, led by the Chief Product & Technology Officer, Selena Deckelmann.
=== Assessment ===
To make space for the inflow of innovative ideas while maintaining and continuing support for the existing Sibling Projects, it is important to establish a clear process for the Sibling Projects’ lifecycle.
The application evaluation process preceding “opening a new Sibling Project” will require considerable time as well as financial and human resources, which needs quantification. An assessment of the needed investment in the technology could be significant depending on the scope of the proposed project (for example, Wikifunctions [10] needs very different resources than a new project that uses standard mediawiki installations), especially in cases of possible maintenance of the project in perpetuity. Evaluating a new application to validate the concept, its impact on the existing Wikimedia technical ecosystem, the human and financial resourcing implications, and future maintenance costs will be time-consuming and might need considerably more staff.
At the same time, an evaluation of the existing Sibling Projects needs to occur as not all are meeting their potential with promoting the Movement's mission. We need to develop an evaluation process for a Sibling Project's success and sustainability. We also need clearly defined approaches for splitting, merging, sunsetting, and/or possibly adopting Sibling Projects by different organisations.
== How to provide feedback ==
Your feedback is warmly welcome. The feedback can be given from today until the end of the day on June 23, 2024 (anywhere on Earth). We hope that a fairly long feedback period will allow for rich discussions without feeling rushed. There are several ways that you can provide feedback:
Review the page here, on Meta [11] and leave comments on the talk page.
Join open calls (May 23 at 02:00 to 03:00 UTC and May 30 at 16:00 to 17:00 UTC) [12]
Request a conversation as a part of Talking:2024 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Talking:_2024 by using the Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/Talking: 2024#Let’s Talk|Let’s Talk https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Talking:_2024#Let's_talk feature to sign up for a time to speak with me and other trustees about this topic.
Kind regards,
Victoria Doronina, Task Force Lead
On behalf of the Community Affairs Committee of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Commi...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_sister_projects
[3] https://diff.wikimedia.org/2013/01/15/wikimedia-foundation-launches-wikivoya...
[4] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Abstract_Wikipedia
[5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee
[6] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Affairs_Committee_Charter
[7] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2023-2024/F...
[8] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Commi...
[9] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Proposals_for_new_projects#From_the_Boa...
[10] https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Wikifunctions:About
[11] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Commi...
[12]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_...
Kind regards, Victoria Victoria Doroninahttps://wikimediafoundation.org/profile/dr-victoria-doronina/ Trustee Sister Projects Taskforce Lead
Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/
Imagine a world in which everyone can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Please help us make it a reality.
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Dear all,
This is an update on the feedback period for the draft Procedure for Sibling Project Lifecycle. We have added additional open call times to accommodate different time zones:
-
June 9 at 02:00 to 03:00 UTC -
June 9 at 16:00 to 17:00 UTC
To register for either call, you can sign up here https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Procedure_for_Sibling_Project_Lifecycle#Live_sessions .
If you would like to give feedback in other ways, you can review the page here https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Procedure_for_Sibling_Project_Lifecycle and leave comments on the talk page. Or, request a conversation as a part of Talking:2024 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Talking:_2024 by using the Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/Talking: 2024#Let’s Talk|Let’s Talk https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Talking:_2024#Let's_talk feature to sign up for a time to speak with me and other trustees about this topic.
The feedback period is open until June 23, 2024 (anywhere on Earth), and we hope to hear from you! Thank you to those who have engaged with us both on and off Meta.
On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 8:40 PM Samuel Klein meta.sj@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for organizing this. ! SJ
On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 5:13 AM Victoria Doronina vdoronina@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello,
Thank you to everybody who is engaging in the discussion on Meta.
This is a reminder that there is a call on Procedure for Sibling Project Lifecycle coming up! Join us: Thursday, 23 May at 02:00 UTC.
You can request the Zoom link by emailing askcac@wikimedia.org.
Or sign up here on Meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_...
On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 1:00 PM Victoria Doronina < vdoronina@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Dear all,
I am writing on behalf of the Community Affairs Committee of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees [1] to invite you to give feedback on the draft Procedure for Sibling Project Lifecycle from today until the end of the day on June 23, 2024 (anywhere on Earth). This is a long read; thank you in advance for your attention to its details.
== Terminology: what are “Sibling Projects”? ==
The term “Sister Project” has historically been used to describe all the publicly available wikis (“Wikimedia Projects”) operated by the Wikimedia Foundation, including Wikipedia, Wikimedia Commons, Wikidata, and others [2]. Some community members have also used the term “Sister Project” in the context of language versions of the same wiki, such as English Wikipedia, Bengali Wikipedia, etc., or Vietnamese Wikisource, Catalan Wikisource, etc. Still, other community members have interpreted “Sister Projects” as synonymous with “WikiProjects”, such as English:Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history or Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings.
To address the confusion and to disambiguate the terms, a working term - “Sibling Projects” - will be used to distinguish separate content projects (wikis) from language variants of the same content project. Under this naming scheme, Wikipedia, Wikisource and Wikidata are “Sibling Projects”. Thus, the French Wikisource and Polish Wikisource would be “language versions (French and Polish) of the same Sibling Project (Wikisource)”. This is a working terminology, and it might change.
== Context ==
Historically, when Wikimedia Siblings started to be added to Wikipedia, there was a surge of new projects, sometimes with and sometimes without strategic or clear goals. At that time, the Wikimedia Foundation Board was approving new Sibling projects (for example, Wikivoyage [3], Abstract Wikipedia [4]). There is a separate committee (Language Committee) that makes decisions on whether a new language version (subdomain) of existing Wikimedia projects can be opened [5]. Still, there was nothing for other “kinds of Wikimedia projects”. Since 2021, the responsibility to “address new (...) site applications, including creating a formalized procedure, from application to approval/disapproval” is the mandate of the Community Affairs Committee (CAC), a Wikimedia Foundation Board Committee [6].
In the last 10 years, the Wikimedia Foundation Board has become cautious about opening new Sibling Projects because of a lack of clear strategy around approval, maintenance, and closure, a lack of understanding of their impact, and questions around their sustainability in light of the Foundation's mostly flat budget [7]. In addition, the technical work necessary to maintain different Sibling Projects has often stretched the Wikimedia Foundation’s capacity.
A little over a year ago, CAC created a Task Force [8] to help the Wikimedia Foundation develop a direction on if, how, what, and when to invest in the opening of new Sibling Projects, in order “to make sure that any newly approved project is set up for success, and has the resources it needs to function well” [9]. The Foundation needs to understand better what services it would need to commit to this process while taking into account the organization's limited capacity and budget. This task has to be addressed in cooperation with the Product & Technology Department of the Wikimedia Foundation, led by the Chief Product & Technology Officer, Selena Deckelmann.
=== Assessment ===
To make space for the inflow of innovative ideas while maintaining and continuing support for the existing Sibling Projects, it is important to establish a clear process for the Sibling Projects’ lifecycle.
The application evaluation process preceding “opening a new Sibling Project” will require considerable time as well as financial and human resources, which needs quantification. An assessment of the needed investment in the technology could be significant depending on the scope of the proposed project (for example, Wikifunctions [10] needs very different resources than a new project that uses standard mediawiki installations), especially in cases of possible maintenance of the project in perpetuity. Evaluating a new application to validate the concept, its impact on the existing Wikimedia technical ecosystem, the human and financial resourcing implications, and future maintenance costs will be time-consuming and might need considerably more staff.
At the same time, an evaluation of the existing Sibling Projects needs to occur as not all are meeting their potential with promoting the Movement's mission. We need to develop an evaluation process for a Sibling Project's success and sustainability. We also need clearly defined approaches for splitting, merging, sunsetting, and/or possibly adopting Sibling Projects by different organisations.
== How to provide feedback ==
Your feedback is warmly welcome. The feedback can be given from today until the end of the day on June 23, 2024 (anywhere on Earth). We hope that a fairly long feedback period will allow for rich discussions without feeling rushed. There are several ways that you can provide feedback:
Review the page here, on Meta [11] and leave comments on the talk page.
Join open calls (May 23 at 02:00 to 03:00 UTC and May 30 at 16:00 to 17:00 UTC) [12]
Request a conversation as a part of Talking:2024 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Talking:_2024 by using the Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/Talking: 2024#Let’s Talk|Let’s Talk https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Talking:_2024#Let's_talk feature to sign up for a time to speak with me and other trustees about this topic.
Kind regards,
Victoria Doronina, Task Force Lead
On behalf of the Community Affairs Committee of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Commi...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_sister_projects
[3] https://diff.wikimedia.org/2013/01/15/wikimedia-foundation-launches-wikivoya...
[4] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Abstract_Wikipedia
[5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee
[6] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Affairs_Committee_Charter
[7] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2023-2024/F...
[8] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Commi...
[9] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Proposals_for_new_projects#From_the_Boa...
[10] https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Wikifunctions:About
[11] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Commi...
[12]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_...
Kind regards, Victoria Victoria Doroninahttps://wikimediafoundation.org/profile/dr-victoria-doronina/ Trustee Sister Projects Taskforce Lead
Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/
Imagine a world in which everyone can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Please help us make it a reality.
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Dear all,
This is a reminder that we have two video calls about the Procedure for Sibling Project Lifecycle this Sunday:
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June 9 at 02:00 to 03:00 UTC -
June 9 at 16:00 to 17:00 UTC
To register for either call, you can sign up here https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Procedure_for_Sibling_Project_Lifecycle#Live_sessions. You will be sent a link.
Have a nice weekend
V
On Fri, May 31, 2024 at 1:23 PM Victoria Doronina vdoronina@wikimedia.org wrote:
Dear all,
This is an update on the feedback period for the draft Procedure for Sibling Project Lifecycle. We have added additional open call times to accommodate different time zones:
June 9 at 02:00 to 03:00 UTC
June 9 at 16:00 to 17:00 UTC
To register for either call, you can sign up here https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Procedure_for_Sibling_Project_Lifecycle#Live_sessions .
If you would like to give feedback in other ways, you can review the page here https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Procedure_for_Sibling_Project_Lifecycle and leave comments on the talk page. Or, request a conversation as a part of Talking:2024 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Talking:_2024 by using the Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/Talking: 2024#Let’s Talk|Let’s Talk https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Talking:_2024#Let's_talk feature to sign up for a time to speak with me and other trustees about this topic.
The feedback period is open until June 23, 2024 (anywhere on Earth), and we hope to hear from you! Thank you to those who have engaged with us both on and off Meta.
On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 8:40 PM Samuel Klein meta.sj@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for organizing this. ! SJ
On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 5:13 AM Victoria Doronina < vdoronina@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Hello,
Thank you to everybody who is engaging in the discussion on Meta.
This is a reminder that there is a call on Procedure for Sibling Project Lifecycle coming up! Join us: Thursday, 23 May at 02:00 UTC.
You can request the Zoom link by emailing askcac@wikimedia.org.
Or sign up here on Meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_...
On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 1:00 PM Victoria Doronina < vdoronina@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Dear all,
I am writing on behalf of the Community Affairs Committee of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees [1] to invite you to give feedback on the draft Procedure for Sibling Project Lifecycle from today until the end of the day on June 23, 2024 (anywhere on Earth). This is a long read; thank you in advance for your attention to its details.
== Terminology: what are “Sibling Projects”? ==
The term “Sister Project” has historically been used to describe all the publicly available wikis (“Wikimedia Projects”) operated by the Wikimedia Foundation, including Wikipedia, Wikimedia Commons, Wikidata, and others [2]. Some community members have also used the term “Sister Project” in the context of language versions of the same wiki, such as English Wikipedia, Bengali Wikipedia, etc., or Vietnamese Wikisource, Catalan Wikisource, etc. Still, other community members have interpreted “Sister Projects” as synonymous with “WikiProjects”, such as English:Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history or Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings.
To address the confusion and to disambiguate the terms, a working term
- “Sibling Projects” - will be used to distinguish separate content
projects (wikis) from language variants of the same content project. Under this naming scheme, Wikipedia, Wikisource and Wikidata are “Sibling Projects”. Thus, the French Wikisource and Polish Wikisource would be “language versions (French and Polish) of the same Sibling Project (Wikisource)”. This is a working terminology, and it might change.
== Context ==
Historically, when Wikimedia Siblings started to be added to Wikipedia, there was a surge of new projects, sometimes with and sometimes without strategic or clear goals. At that time, the Wikimedia Foundation Board was approving new Sibling projects (for example, Wikivoyage [3], Abstract Wikipedia [4]). There is a separate committee (Language Committee) that makes decisions on whether a new language version (subdomain) of existing Wikimedia projects can be opened [5]. Still, there was nothing for other “kinds of Wikimedia projects”. Since 2021, the responsibility to “address new (...) site applications, including creating a formalized procedure, from application to approval/disapproval” is the mandate of the Community Affairs Committee (CAC), a Wikimedia Foundation Board Committee [6].
In the last 10 years, the Wikimedia Foundation Board has become cautious about opening new Sibling Projects because of a lack of clear strategy around approval, maintenance, and closure, a lack of understanding of their impact, and questions around their sustainability in light of the Foundation's mostly flat budget [7]. In addition, the technical work necessary to maintain different Sibling Projects has often stretched the Wikimedia Foundation’s capacity.
A little over a year ago, CAC created a Task Force [8] to help the Wikimedia Foundation develop a direction on if, how, what, and when to invest in the opening of new Sibling Projects, in order “to make sure that any newly approved project is set up for success, and has the resources it needs to function well” [9]. The Foundation needs to understand better what services it would need to commit to this process while taking into account the organization's limited capacity and budget. This task has to be addressed in cooperation with the Product & Technology Department of the Wikimedia Foundation, led by the Chief Product & Technology Officer, Selena Deckelmann.
=== Assessment ===
To make space for the inflow of innovative ideas while maintaining and continuing support for the existing Sibling Projects, it is important to establish a clear process for the Sibling Projects’ lifecycle.
The application evaluation process preceding “opening a new Sibling Project” will require considerable time as well as financial and human resources, which needs quantification. An assessment of the needed investment in the technology could be significant depending on the scope of the proposed project (for example, Wikifunctions [10] needs very different resources than a new project that uses standard mediawiki installations), especially in cases of possible maintenance of the project in perpetuity. Evaluating a new application to validate the concept, its impact on the existing Wikimedia technical ecosystem, the human and financial resourcing implications, and future maintenance costs will be time-consuming and might need considerably more staff.
At the same time, an evaluation of the existing Sibling Projects needs to occur as not all are meeting their potential with promoting the Movement's mission. We need to develop an evaluation process for a Sibling Project's success and sustainability. We also need clearly defined approaches for splitting, merging, sunsetting, and/or possibly adopting Sibling Projects by different organisations.
== How to provide feedback ==
Your feedback is warmly welcome. The feedback can be given from today until the end of the day on June 23, 2024 (anywhere on Earth). We hope that a fairly long feedback period will allow for rich discussions without feeling rushed. There are several ways that you can provide feedback:
Review the page here, on Meta [11] and leave comments on the talk page.
Join open calls (May 23 at 02:00 to 03:00 UTC and May 30 at 16:00 to 17:00 UTC) [12]
Request a conversation as a part of Talking:2024 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Talking:_2024 by using the Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee/Talking: 2024#Let’s Talk|Let’s Talk https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Committee/Talking:_2024#Let's_talk feature to sign up for a time to speak with me and other trustees about this topic.
Kind regards,
Victoria Doronina, Task Force Lead
On behalf of the Community Affairs Committee of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Commi...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_sister_projects
[3] https://diff.wikimedia.org/2013/01/15/wikimedia-foundation-launches-wikivoya...
[4] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Abstract_Wikipedia
[5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee
[6] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Affairs_Committee_Charter
[7] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2023-2024/F...
[8] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Commi...
[9] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Proposals_for_new_projects#From_the_Boa...
[10] https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Wikifunctions:About
[11] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_Commi...
[12]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_Community_Affairs_...
Kind regards, Victoria Victoria Doroninahttps://wikimediafoundation.org/profile/dr-victoria-doronina/ Trustee Sister Projects Taskforce Lead
Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/
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