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Kim Bruning

3 Jan 2012 3 Jan '12

8:26 a.m.

Looks like .us is pushing other countries to implement similar laws, eg. .es : http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/01/03/0241248/spanish-website-blocking-law… sincerely, Kim Bruning

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emijrp

3 Jan 3 Jan

12:42 p.m.

Yes, the Great United States of America is a POV pusher country which is lobbying to create new laws to protect its IP industry overseas. 2012/1/3 Kim Bruning <kim(a)bruning.xs4all.nl>

Looks like .us is pushing other countries to implement similar laws, eg. .es : http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/01/03/0241248/spanish-website-blocking-law… sincerely, Kim Bruning _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

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Lodewijk

4 Jan 4 Jan

3:43 p.m.

We should be careful to start calling all copyright related laws evil (at least you seem to suggest that) because then that would devaluate very quickly. At least what I see quickly (but IANALawyer and IANASpaniard) this law is not thát evil: the government can ask to close a website that is actually infringing, and the actual enforcement remains with the courts (an ISP is allowed to disagree, and leave it to an impartial judge). What would be more dangerous is if there would be no judge involved, if linking to content alone is enough to block the site, if there are no copyright exeptions (Freedom of Speech etc) to be considered, etc. You can't really condemn every law trying to enforce copyright - but you should try to find a way that is least harmful (especially for 'innocent sites'), fair and considering other (ground)rights. L No dia 3 de Janeiro de 2012 09:26, Kim Bruning <kim(a)bruning.xs4all.nl>escreveucreveu:

Looks like .us is pushing other countries to implement similar laws, eg. .es : http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/01/03/0241248/spanish-website-blocking-law… sincerely, Kim Bruning _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

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emijrp

5:59 p.m.

With this law, a special team in the Ministry of Culture of Spain can block any (for-profit or non-profit) website, from Spain or overseas, that _links_ to copyrighted works. Including Google, Wikipedia or whatever. Without a judge. For further details, search for an analysis. 2012/1/4 Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org>

We should be careful to start calling all copyright related laws evil (at least you seem to suggest that) because then that would devaluate very quickly. At least what I see quickly (but IANALawyer and IANASpaniard) this law is not thát evil: the government can ask to close a website that is actually infringing, and the actual enforcement remains with the courts (an ISP is allowed to disagree, and leave it to an impartial judge). What would be more dangerous is if there would be no judge involved, if linking to content alone is enough to block the site, if there are no copyright exeptions (Freedom of Speech etc) to be considered, etc. You can't really condemn every law trying to enforce copyright - but you should try to find a way that is least harmful (especially for 'innocent sites'), fair and considering other (ground)rights. L No dia 3 de Janeiro de 2012 09:26, Kim Bruning <kim(a)bruning.xs4all.nl

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Looks like .us is pushing other countries to implement similar laws, eg. .es :

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/01/03/0241248/spanish-website-blocking-law…

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Federico Leva (Nemo)

6:30 p.m.

emijrp, 04/01/2012 18:59:

With this law, a special team in the Ministry of Culture of Spain can block any (for-profit or non-profit) website, from Spain or overseas, that _links_ to copyrighted works. Including Google, Wikipedia or whatever. Without a judge.

That's entirely different!

For further details, search for an analysis.

The slashdot post links end up to a 6 months old WSJ article, is there some more recent one you recommend? (Also Spanish.) Thanks, Nemo

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emijrp

7:02 p.m.

http://gigaom.com/2012/01/04/how-spains-version-of-sopa-is-setting-the-web-… 2012/1/4 Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki(a)gmail.com>

emijrp, 04/01/2012 18:59:

With this law, a special team in the Ministry of Culture of Spain can

block

any (for-profit or non-profit) website, from Spain or overseas, that _links_ to copyrighted works. Including Google, Wikipedia or whatever. Without a judge.

That's entirely different!

For further details, search for an analysis.

The slashdot post links end up to a 6 months old WSJ article, is there some more recent one you recommend? (Also Spanish.) Thanks, Nemo _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

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Kim Bruning

5 Jan 5 Jan

4:29 p.m.

On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 08:02:32PM +0100, emijrp wrote:

http://gigaom.com/2012/01/04/how-spains-version-of-sopa-is-setting-the-web-… 2012/1/4 Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki(a)gmail.com> > emijrp, 04/01/2012 18:59: > > With this law, a special team in the Ministry of Culture of Spain can > block > > any (for-profit or non-profit) website, from Spain or overseas, that > > _links_ to copyrighted works. Including Google, Wikipedia or whatever. > > Without a judge. >

More links off of slashdot: http://torrentfreak.com/us-threatened-to-blacklist-spain-for-not-implementi… To make a long story short, the USA is already pushing for SOPA in other countries. The game is afoot. I wonder if we've missed other countries that might implement similar legislation soon? In any case, it might be a good idea to check how and if the new spanish laws (will) affect WMF, and what measures need to be taken to stay safe for now. sincerely, Kim Bruning --

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Christophe Henner

5:27 p.m.

In France we we're that far [me showing a little space between my fingers] to get a similar law in 2006 and 2009. The law passed but all the "site blocking" things were removed following some lobbying (in which WMFr did not take part but some of the members did on a personal level). All the plan for similar laws has been postponed due to the 2012 elections (presidential and parliement) but we know lobbyist are pushing forward to get it back on track. They actualy tried to had it through our online gambling law, but failed. Christophe On 5 January 2012 17:29, Kim Bruning <kim(a)bruning.xs4all.nl> wrote:

On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 08:02:32PM +0100, emijrp wrote:

http://gigaom.com/2012/01/04/how-spains-version-of-sopa-is-setting-the-web-… 2012/1/4 Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki(a)gmail.com> > emijrp, 04/01/2012 18:59: > > With this law, a special team in the Ministry of Culture of Spain can > block > > any (for-profit or non-profit) website, from Spain or overseas, that > > _links_ to copyrighted works. Including Google, Wikipedia or whatever. > > Without a judge. >

More links off of slashdot: http://torrentfreak.com/us-threatened-to-blacklist-spain-for-not-implementi… To make a long story short, the USA is already pushing for SOPA in other countries. The game is afoot. I wonder if we've missed other countries that might implement similar legislation soon? In any case, it might be a good idea to check how and if the new spanish laws (will) affect WMF, and what measures need to be taken to stay safe for now. sincerely, Kim Bruning -- _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

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Kim Bruning

6 Jan 6 Jan

6:14 p.m.

And canada is considering pushing back the public domain 20 years, under ... us influence yet again. http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6225/125/ (Proposed and existing) US policy (foreign and domestic) is not really in favor of wikimedia at the moment, is it? :-/ sincerely, Kim Bruning --

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