Hoi, On OTRS I received a complaint that some photo's were taken from a website. As the photo's were located on Commons, I informed the gentleman to go to the Commons administrators. In this case they were world war II photo's of machine guns. I told the gentleman that even if the photos were taken from his website, it would not matter when the photos are already in the pubic domain.
The question, as it is not possible for a Dutch admin to remove photos from Commons and as it has no impact to remove the pictures from an article, is it correct to refer this gentleman to the Commons admins or is there / should there be a procedure for these issues.
Thanks, GerardM
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, On OTRS I received a complaint that some photo's were taken from a website. As the photo's were located on Commons, I informed the gentleman to go to the Commons administrators. In this case they were world war II photo's of machine guns. I told the gentleman that even if the photos were taken from his website, it would not matter when the photos are already in the pubic domain.
The question, as it is not possible for a Dutch admin to remove photos from Commons and as it has no impact to remove the pictures from an article, is it correct to refer this gentleman to the Commons admins or is there / should there be a procedure for these issues.
On Commons, if you think there is a copyright tag you can throw on images you think are in dispute, which is the {{Copyvio}} tag, and any user can add that onto the image. You don't need to be an admin. Please make sure you put in a reason on the image page when you think there is a problem, or try and contact the user who uploaded the content (to be kind to a potential new user who thought uploading random stuff from web pages was appropriate). The tag will get flagged to a category which the admins on Commons check very regularly, and will delete if it is against Commons policy.
Robert Scott Horning wrote:
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, On OTRS I received a complaint that some photo's were taken from a website. As the photo's were located on Commons, I informed the gentleman to go to the Commons administrators. In this case they were world war II photo's of machine guns. I told the gentleman that even if the photos were taken from his website, it would not matter when the photos are already in the pubic domain.
The question, as it is not possible for a Dutch admin to remove photos from Commons and as it has no impact to remove the pictures from an article, is it correct to refer this gentleman to the Commons admins or is there / should there be a procedure for these issues.
On Commons, if you think there is a copyright tag you can throw on images you think are in dispute, which is the {{Copyvio}} tag, and any user can add that onto the image. You don't need to be an admin. Please make sure you put in a reason on the image page when you think there is a problem, or try and contact the user who uploaded the content (to be kind to a potential new user who thought uploading random stuff from web pages was appropriate). The tag will get flagged to a category which the admins on Commons check very regularly, and will delete if it is against Commons policy.
Hoi, In this case Commons states that it is public domain. There is this user who has just another WW II website and is the opinion that we copied his website. I am not completely aware of how these things are done on Commons and, I do not agree with some of the procedures that I do know. The thing is with OTRS, I am not just some user. By notifying me of this issue the gentleman may think he is talking to the WMF itself while in fact it has nothing to do with the nl.wikipedia. So the issue is also a bit bigger than just this and that is why I ask for some guidance.
Thanks, GerardM
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
On Commons, if you think there is a copyright tag you can throw on images you think are in dispute, which is the {{Copyvio}} tag, and any user can add that onto the image. You don't need to be an admin. Please make sure you put in a reason on the image page when you think there is a problem, or try and contact the user who uploaded the content (to be kind to a potential new user who thought uploading random stuff from web pages was appropriate). The tag will get flagged to a category which the admins on Commons check very regularly, and will delete if it is against Commons policy.
Hoi, In this case Commons states that it is public domain. There is this user who has just another WW II website and is the opinion that we copied his website. I am not completely aware of how these things are done on Commons and, I do not agree with some of the procedures that I do know. The thing is with OTRS, I am not just some user. By notifying me of this issue the gentleman may think he is talking to the WMF itself while in fact it has nothing to do with the nl.wikipedia. So the issue is also a bit bigger than just this and that is why I ask for some guidance.
What needs to be done here is to research exactly who may be correct. Many WWII photographs are likely to still be under copyright (the life+75 rule has not gone into effect yet, or the 100 year rule... depending on what copyright laws you are using, and was published after 1924 when prior copyright had entered into public domain) and my gut feeling is that it is likely to be a copyright violation. When I throw stuff onto Commons, I make extra sure that I cite exactly where I got the image and what the terms and conditions of that image were. Too often an assumption was that it was on a government website, therefore it is 100% legal to put on Commons. That is rarely the case. Images without a specific URL to where the image was uploaded from (making it easier to check PD status) or a specifc statement from the user claiming to have scanned in a photograph in their possession (or have taken it with their own equipment) I find highly suspicious. Images that simply have {{PD}} and no other comments I find especially suspicious. They may be public domain images, but there is no basis to confirm this fact.
One way to also check on this is to do a Google image search. This would at least try to see if similar photos are on other websites and if the person who is complaining is making a stink about copyright on something they don't own (such as some people I've seen claim copyright on Wikipedia content and then ask for Wikipedia to remove it). I wouldn't spend too much time trying to track down an image in this manner, however.
Robert Scott Horning wrote:
What needs to be done here is to research exactly who may be correct. Many WWII photographs are likely to still be under copyright (the life+75 rule has not gone into effect yet, or the 100 year rule... depending on what copyright laws you are using, and was published after 1924 when prior copyright had entered into public domain) and my gut feeling is that it is likely to be a copyright violation.
A significant portion of WW2-era photographs were taken by U.S. government personnel during the course of their official duties, and are therefore in the public domain.
In any case, someone running a WW2 website doesn't have much of a claim against us, unless *they* took the pictures, or otherwise own the copyrights to them.
-Mark
Hi,
Le Wednesday 20 July 2005 21:06, Gerard Meijssen a écrit :
Robert Scott Horning wrote:
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, On OTRS I received a complaint that some photo's were taken from a website. As the photo's were located on Commons, I informed the gentleman to go to the Commons administrators. In this case they were world war II photo's of machine guns. I told the gentleman that even if the photos were taken from his website, it would not matter when the photos are already in the pubic domain.
The question, as it is not possible for a Dutch admin to remove photos from Commons and as it has no impact to remove the pictures from an article, is it correct to refer this gentleman to the Commons admins or is there / should there be a procedure for these issues.
On Commons, if you think there is a copyright tag you can throw on images you think are in dispute, which is the {{Copyvio}} tag, and any user can add that onto the image. You don't need to be an admin. Please make sure you put in a reason on the image page when you think there is a problem, or try and contact the user who uploaded the content (to be kind to a potential new user who thought uploading random stuff from web pages was appropriate). The tag will get flagged to a category which the admins on Commons check very regularly, and will delete if it is against Commons policy.
Hoi, In this case Commons states that it is public domain. There is this user who has just another WW II website and is the opinion that we copied his website. I am not completely aware of how these things are done on Commons and, I do not agree with some of the procedures that I do know. The thing is with OTRS, I am not just some user. By notifying me of this issue the gentleman may think he is talking to the WMF itself while in fact it has nothing to do with the nl.wikipedia. So the issue is also a bit bigger than just this and that is why I ask for some guidance.
I think the solution is quite easy. Ask this person who is the photgrapher of this picture and when this photographer died if he knows it. If he doesn't know who is the photographer, I would think that he doesn't own the copyright of the picture. It doesn't mean that the picture is in the public domain, but at least he can't give you any trouble.
That's what I did with a German organisation who claims copyright of Gandhi's photos I uploaded in Commons. I doubt very much this organisation owns any copyright on these pictures and I am still waiting for its answer, two months after my mail.
Thanks, GerardM
Regards, Yann
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Le 21 juil. 05 à 22:10, Yann Forget a écrit :
Hi,
Le Wednesday 20 July 2005 21:06, Gerard Meijssen a écrit :
Robert Scott Horning wrote:
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, On OTRS I received a complaint that some photo's were taken from a website. As the photo's were located on Commons, I informed the gentleman to go to the Commons administrators. In this case they were world war II photo's of machine guns. I told the gentleman that even if the photos were taken from his website, it would not matter when the photos are already in the pubic domain.
The question, as it is not possible for a Dutch admin to remove photos from Commons and as it has no impact to remove the pictures from an article, is it correct to refer this gentleman to the Commons admins or is there / should there be a procedure for these issues.
On Commons, if you think there is a copyright tag you can throw on images you think are in dispute, which is the {{Copyvio}} tag, and any user can add that onto the image. You don't need to be an admin. Please make sure you put in a reason on the image page when you think there is a problem, or try and contact the user who uploaded the content (to be kind to a potential new user who thought uploading random stuff from web pages was appropriate). The tag will get flagged to a category which the admins on Commons check very regularly, and will delete if it is against Commons policy.
Hoi, In this case Commons states that it is public domain. There is this user who has just another WW II website and is the opinion that we copied his website. I am not completely aware of how these things are done on Commons and, I do not agree with some of the procedures that I do know. The thing is with OTRS, I am not just some user. By notifying me of this issue the gentleman may think he is talking to the WMF itself while in fact it has nothing to do with the nl.wikipedia. So the issue is also a bit bigger than just this and that is why I ask for some guidance.
I think the solution is quite easy. Ask this person who is the photgrapher of this picture and when this photographer died if he knows it. If he doesn't know who is the photographer, I would think that he doesn't own the copyright of the picture. It doesn't mean that the picture is in the public domain, but at least he can't give you any trouble.
That's what I did with a German organisation who claims copyright of Gandhi's photos I uploaded in Commons. I doubt very much this organisation owns any copyright on these pictures and I am still waiting for its answer, two months after my mail.
Thanks, GerardM
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Le 20 juil. 05 à 21:06, Gerard Meijssen a écrit :
Robert Scott Horning wrote:
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, On OTRS I received a complaint that some photo's were taken from a website. As the photo's were located on Commons, I informed the gentleman to go to the Commons administrators. In this case they were world war II photo's of machine guns. I told the gentleman that even if the photos were taken from his website, it would not matter when the photos are already in the pubic domain.
The question, as it is not possible for a Dutch admin to remove photos from Commons and as it has no impact to remove the pictures from an article, is it correct to refer this gentleman to the Commons admins or is there / should there be a procedure for these issues.
On Commons, if you think there is a copyright tag you can throw on images you think are in dispute, which is the {{Copyvio}} tag, and any user can add that onto the image. You don't need to be an admin. Please make sure you put in a reason on the image page when you think there is a problem, or try and contact the user who uploaded the content (to be kind to a potential new user who thought uploading random stuff from web pages was appropriate). The tag will get flagged to a category which the admins on Commons check very regularly, and will delete if it is against Commons policy.
Hoi, In this case Commons states that it is public domain. There is this user who has just another WW II website and is the opinion that we copied his website. I am not completely aware of how these things are done on Commons and, I do not agree with some of the procedures that I do know. The thing is with OTRS, I am not just some user. By notifying me of this issue the gentleman may think he is talking to the WMF itself while in fact it has nothing to do with the nl.wikipedia. So the issue is also a bit bigger than just this and that is why I ask for some guidance.
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