I for one very much appreciate that the moderators put Dan on moderation. I
support sanctions for insulting and rude behavior. Peter--if you are
looking for exact, quantitative criteria, you aren't going to get it. This
is about impact of communication on the receiver, not specific words used
by the sender. I know that I sometimes come across as being uncivil and/or
disrespectful. I appreciate when someone points out a specific example,
because that provides me an opportunity to change to more civil- and
respectful-sounding communication, which will have a better chance of
succeeding (in whatever the purpose of my communication is).
Many posters seem, like Peter, to want quantitative, legalistic, binary
"right/wrong" guidance. Considering the gender identities "man" and
"woman", this preference is more typical of men than women in
"Western"
civilization. Many women (and some men) prefer more qualitative,
contextual, nuanced guidance. (I don't know prevalences for other gender
identities.) I think it is important to understand that our personal
preference is not automatically the preference of others.
Personally, I hope the moderators are considering moderation for several
posters beyond Dan.
Paul
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review
From: "Asaf Bartov" <asaf.bartov(a)gmail.com>
Date: 9/11/20 2:46 am
To: "Wikimedia Mailing List" <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
No, it is not "forbidden words" that are the problem, and we have no
intention of maintaining a list.
We expect list subscribers to maintain civil discourse, which does include
avoiding vulgarity, and expressing oneself with respect to both one's
interlocutors (or addressees of criticism) and the broader audience.
Happily, this is something more than 99 percent of subscribers manage to do
without effort.
As I have repeatedly clarified, respectful discourse absolutely does not
preclude criticism. Indeed, it is liable to make the criticism more likely
to be heard.
A.
On Fri, 11 Sep 2020, 12:26 Peter Southwood <peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net>
wrote:
Is there somewhere we can refer to the list of
offensive and unacceptable
expressions, and how they are determined?
Cheers,
Peter
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From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On
Behalf
Of Anders Wennersten
Sent: 11 September 2020 10:33
To: wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review
There are many of us on this list who have given the feedback we find
that expression offensive and unacceptable.
Do not forget the readers of this list comes from may different cultures
and if you and the people close to you find it "acceptable" it is not a
valid judgment for all, and why do you want us to leave this list just
so you can use a language like that. (I certainly would if that was
accepted as a norm)
The language on this list is English, it means we non-native have to
adjust our entries to a unfamiliar language. It mean we have to limit
our means of expression (we will not be experts on nuances). You who
are native English speaker have all the advantages, would it then be too
hard for you to adjust you language to what is acceptable to us others?
Anders
Den 2020-09-11 kl. 09:31, skrev Benjamin Ikuta:
>
> Please, enlighten me.
>
>
>
> On Sep 10, 2020, at 11:39 PM, Ziko van Dijk <zvandijk(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Am Fr., 11. Sept. 2020 um 08:07 Uhr schrieb Benjamin Ikuta
>> <benjaminikuta(a)gmail.com>om>:
>>> Is there some context that makes this much worse than it seems, or do
I
have a deeply flawed understanding of civility?
> Well, are you open to consider the
possibility that the latter might
> theoretically be the case, at least partially?
> Kind regards
> Ziko
>
>
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