You may check my user page too, on the Brazilian Portuguese Wikipedia. It's a barrel of laughs. Sorry you'll have to check the history. :-)
Well, as far as I am concerned creation of articles like this http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=29663_1998_WH23&redirect=no or like this http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agrostis_taliensis in the amount of several thousands per day with the only purpose of keeping clear from Russian Wikipedia in terms of the number of articles damages the images of Portuguese Wikipedia much more that transitions between the dialects. You will soon become sort of the second Volapuk, and for Volapuk the dialect do not really matter.
Cheers Yaroslav
Well, let's not make that a question of "my Wikipédia is better / bigger / prettier that your", please _____ Béria Lima (Beh) Wikimedia Portugal
2010/12/7 Yaroslav M. Blanter putevod@mccme.ru
You may check my user page too, on the Brazilian Portuguese Wikipedia. It's a barrel of laughs. Sorry you'll have to check the history. :-)
Well, as far as I am concerned creation of articles like this http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=29663_1998_WH23&redirect=no or like this http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agrostis_taliensis in the amount of several thousands per day with the only purpose of keeping clear from Russian Wikipedia in terms of the number of articles damages the images of Portuguese Wikipedia much more that transitions between the dialects. You will soon become sort of the second Volapuk, and for Volapuk the dialect do not really matter.
Cheers Yaroslav
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On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 21:25:22 +0000, Béria Lima berialima@gmail.com wrote:
Well, let's not make that a question of "my Wikipédia is better / bigger
/
prettier that your", please _____ Béria Lima (Beh) Wikimedia Portugal
This is a reputation question. If you have the community decision to have such reputation, I am perfectly fine with that. I am not a Portuguese speaker and not a regular contributor to pt.wp
Cheers Yaroslav
Since you not speak portuguese and do not know our countries (in plural because of Brazil / Angola / Portugal / Cape Verde / etc... ) and culture, i would be glad if you keep your opinion for you.
The reputation of pt.wiki is our problem, and the problem of the "little articles" is a question who is a decision of every community to decide. Spanish, Italy and Russian (as far I can understand for you mail) don't allow that kind of article. We do. And not because of ru.wiki, we do that for all our history.
If that is bad or good, don't concern to you or me to judge, but to pt.wiki readers and contributors _____ Béria Lima (Beh) Wikimedia Portugal
2010/12/7 Yaroslav M. Blanter putevod@mccme.ru
On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 21:25:22 +0000, Béria Lima berialima@gmail.com wrote:
Well, let's not make that a question of "my Wikipédia is better / bigger
/
prettier that your", please _____ Béria Lima (Beh) Wikimedia Portugal
This is a reputation question. If you have the community decision to have such reputation, I am perfectly fine with that. I am not a Portuguese speaker and not a regular contributor to pt.wp
Cheers Yaroslav
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On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 21:46:48 +0000, Béria Lima berialima@gmail.com wrote:
Since you not speak portuguese and do not know our countries (in plural because of Brazil / Angola / Portugal / Cape Verde / etc... ) and
culture,
i would be glad if you keep your opinion for you.
The reputation of pt.wiki is our problem, and the problem of the "little articles" is a question who is a decision of every community to decide. Spanish, Italy and Russian (as far I can understand for you mail) don't allow that kind of article. We do. And not because of ru.wiki, we do
that
for all our history.
If that is bad or good, don't concern to you or me to judge, but to
pt.wiki
readers and contributors _____
Well, not a very friendly answer. I do speak some Portuguese (not on the level to contribute as an editor), and I have visited Portugal and Brazil a number of times. I totally agree that it is not my business to judge what should be kept in pt.wp (indeed, in Russian Wikipedia these articles are eligible for speedy deletion). However I am entitled to express my opinion that Portuguese Wikipedia is largely bot-generated. At least until pt.wp community decides to clean it up.
Cheers Yaroslav
Not very friendly to go with your first message. But let's try again in a more polite way:
We have bot articles? Yes we have, several bots create most of citys of France and some of Spain, German and Russia in Portuguese Wikipédia. but no one of those bots works anymore since 2007-2008. From now on, all articles are create by people. If they are big or not, i don't know, but we only ask for all article have a source. So if you create a article like "Brazil is a country of South America" with a source, your article would be kept.
I understand you when you said that we could delete those articles, but i think that little information is better than no information at all. That is what we normally think in portuguese wikipedia.
And about the problem of be the number 1, 2, 3 or 405: Our community really do not care about it in general. Of course some guys have the "number fever" and like to know we are the 9º (or 10º - i don't know) largest wikipedia. But the rest of us if cool with that.
Sorry the other mail, i'm a little rude at times. _____ Béria Lima (Beh) Wikimedia Portugal
2010/12/7 Yaroslav M. Blanter putevod@mccme.ru
On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 21:46:48 +0000, Béria Lima berialima@gmail.com wrote:
Since you not speak portuguese and do not know our countries (in plural because of Brazil / Angola / Portugal / Cape Verde / etc... ) and
culture,
i would be glad if you keep your opinion for you.
The reputation of pt.wiki is our problem, and the problem of the "little articles" is a question who is a decision of every community to decide. Spanish, Italy and Russian (as far I can understand for you mail) don't allow that kind of article. We do. And not because of ru.wiki, we do
that
for all our history.
If that is bad or good, don't concern to you or me to judge, but to
pt.wiki
readers and contributors _____
Well, not a very friendly answer. I do speak some Portuguese (not on the level to contribute as an editor), and I have visited Portugal and Brazil a number of times. I totally agree that it is not my business to judge what should be kept in pt.wp (indeed, in Russian Wikipedia these articles are eligible for speedy deletion). However I am entitled to express my opinion that Portuguese Wikipedia is largely bot-generated. At least until pt.wp community decides to clean it up.
Cheers Yaroslav
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On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 22:23:55 +0000, Béria Lima berialima@gmail.com wrote:
Not very friendly to go with your first message. But let's try again in
a
more polite way:
We have bot articles? Yes we have, several bots create most of citys of France and some of Spain, German and Russia in Portuguese Wikipédia. but no one of those bots works anymore since 2007-2008. From now on, all
articles
are create by people. If they are big or not, i don't know, but we only
ask
for all article have a source. So if you create a article like "Brazil
is a
country of South America" with a source, your article would be kept.
I understand you when you said that we could delete those articles, but
i
think that little information is better than no information at all. That
is
what we normally think in portuguese wikipedia.
And about the problem of be the number 1, 2, 3 or 405: Our community
really
do not care about it in general. Of course some guys have the "number fever" and like to know we are the 9º (or 10º - i don't know) largest
wikipedia.
But the rest of us if cool with that.
Sorry the other mail, i'm a little rude at times. _____
I also apologize, I probably overreacted.
The examples of the bot-generated articles I gave in my first message are actually very recent - asteroids from yesterday, insects from a couple of days ago, and the creation of such articles (insect articles contain the infobox, sources and exactly one line "A is an insect from the genus B") has greatly intensified in the last couple of weeks, when one user promised to "never let Russians come closer that 5K articles". Not that I care so much, since Russian Wikipedia clearly opted for quality, and even our bot-generated articles typically get manually checked, but I thought this could deserve the attention of the pt.wp community. I personally do not care whether we are #8, #9 or #10 as soon as the quality is ok although there are of course editors on ru.wp who are counting articles every half an hour. My direct interest is actually that pt.wp grows in quality, so that I can get information from there which is absent in other Wikipedias. And also of course it would make no sense to delete articles already created.
Cheers Yaroslav
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