I suggest that use of Paypal is contraindicated due to their deliberate efforts to inhibit the spread of information by closing their account with Wikileaks. It is inappropriate for Wiki to be associated with Paypal or Amazon.com. These corporations are the opposite of what Wikipedia and associated entities hope to be or currently are. Closing the account with Paypal will also send a message to Amazon that there are consequences to efforts to censor the knowledge base of humanity.
Thanks for reading this. I hope to see debate and action on this proposal.
Robert T.
It was a matter of time before someone brought this subject up ;)
The refusal of paypal, mastercard and visa to process payments to wikileaks is something i have watched with concern. Effectively, the victim has been denied the acceptance of gifts and payments without any court involvement. What this means for freedom and justice i leave to your own conclusions.
Should not any action be directed to all three or four organizations? But i doubt anything is achieved by denying ourselves gifts.
I wish you joy and happiness, teun spaans
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 6:31 AM, Robert Tice robtice2@gmail.com wrote:
I suggest that use of Paypal is contraindicated due to their deliberate efforts to inhibit the spread of information by closing their account with Wikileaks. It is inappropriate for Wiki to be associated with Paypal or Amazon.com. These corporations are the opposite of what Wikipedia and associated entities hope to be or currently are. Closing the account with Paypal will also send a message to Amazon that there are consequences to efforts to censor the knowledge base of humanity.
Thanks for reading this. I hope to see debate and action on this proposal.
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Lets take a look at this really quick from a business side. Paypal might think there is legal risk in supporting Wikileaks. More importantly for them, they might get screwed monetarily (governments seize funds, etc). As for Amazon, the Wikileaks website was getting DDOS'd and was a thorn in their side (And what does it really matter? How is Amazon involved with what the foundation does?). These are companies who are in it to make money, they spend a fair amount of time figuring out which is worse in the grand scheme of things...
Lest we've forgotten ... Wikileaks != Wikipedia.
-Jon PS. Please.. lets not get into the argument of "Wikileaks: Good or Evil?".
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 21:31, Robert Tice robtice2@gmail.com wrote:
I suggest that use of Paypal is contraindicated due to their deliberate efforts to inhibit the spread of information by closing their account with Wikileaks. It is inappropriate for Wiki to be associated with Paypal or Amazon.com. These corporations are the opposite of what Wikipedia and associated entities hope to be or currently are. Closing the account with Paypal will also send a message to Amazon that there are consequences to efforts to censor the knowledge base of humanity.
Thanks for reading this. I hope to see debate and action on this proposal.
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On Dec 11, 2010, at 12:31 AM, Robert Tice robtice2@gmail.com wrote:
I suggest that use of Paypal is contraindicated due to their deliberate efforts to inhibit the spread of information by closing their account with Wikileaks. It is inappropriate for Wiki to be associated with Paypal or Amazon.com. These corporations are the opposite of what Wikipedia and associated entities hope to be or currently are. Closing the account with Paypal will also send a message to Amazon that there are consequences to efforts to censor the knowledge base of humanity.
Thanks for reading this. I hope to see debate and action on this proposal.
I don't think we should stop using paypal because of this.
WMF should not take a stance one way or another on the wikileaks issue other than to remind people that wikipedia != wikileaks and we don't run wikileaks. (most people I think understand but also think there is plenty of misunderstanding out there about this)
Though it's a wikipedia policy, I think wp:npov should definitely be a guiding principle in this situation.
Removing paypal would be a bad idea, in my opinion
-aude
PS - I do know that our credit card payments are also handled behind the scenes by paypal.
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Removing paypal etc would be equivalent to a statement "WMF supports wikileaks". Unless we would make that statement formally as well, this discussion goes nowhere. Much as I personally support them, this isn't WMF's business and can only harm the project to make a formal stand.
Individual users may wish to make a stand though. (without dragging WP/M into it).
FT2
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 12:39 PM, aude aude.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
On Dec 11, 2010, at 12:31 AM, Robert Tice robtice2@gmail.com wrote:
I suggest that use of Paypal is contraindicated due to their deliberate efforts to inhibit the spread of information by closing their account with Wikileaks. It is inappropriate for Wiki to be associated with Paypal or Amazon.com. These corporations are the opposite of what Wikipedia and associated entities hope to be or currently are. Closing the account with Paypal will also send a message to Amazon that there are consequences to efforts to censor the knowledge base of humanity.
Thanks for reading this. I hope to see debate and action on this proposal.
I don't think we should stop using paypal because of this.
WMF should not take a stance one way or another on the wikileaks issue other than to remind people that wikipedia != wikileaks and we don't run wikileaks. (most people I think understand but also think there is plenty of misunderstanding out there about this)
Though it's a wikipedia policy, I think wp:npov should definitely be a guiding principle in this situation.
Removing paypal would be a bad idea, in my opinion
-aude
PS - I do know that our credit card payments are also handled behind the scenes by paypal.
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