Hello everyone. I tried to find the info myself, with little success: I'm interested to know about the environmental impact of running Wikipedia (carbon emissions, etc.) and what we are doing about it. Sorry if I missed wikimedia-l threads, or other sources.
The only thing I found regarding a green data center is a 2009 press release [1]. If I understand correctly, it was a carbon neutral data center.
But, it was 2009. Now, it seems that we have a new data center [2][3].
I'm wondering what is the environmental impact of it, as "encironmental impact" was in the primary requirements for the choice [3]. More generally: does the Wikimedia Foundation have a "green" policy? Do other chapters? What can we do about it? Are we interested in doing something about it?
IMHO, I think we should discuss this. I remember quite vividly that a representative of Greenpeace, at Wikimania in London, was quite clear in saying that we are not really good in this matter.
As Wikimedia, as a whole, is more and more exposed (we now fight for the privacy of our users, (and I'm personally very proud of it)), and as we are the 5th website in the world, maybe it's a topic worth talking.
Thank you
Aubrey
[1] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/Wikimedia_Selects_EvoSwi... [2] https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/05/05/wikimedia-foundation-selects-cyrusone-... [3] http://www.cyrusone.com/data-center-locations/dallas-data-center-carrollton/... [4] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/RFP/2013_Datacenter#Primary_Requirement...
Hello Andrea,
Le dimanche 5 juillet 2015, 17:45:34 Andrea Zanni a écrit :
I tried to find the info myself, with little success: I'm interested to know about the environmental impact of running Wikipedia (carbon emissions, etc.) and what we are doing about it. Sorry if I missed wikimedia-l threads, or other sources.
Here are a couple of old threads to get you started:
2007: "WMF-projects: Carbon neutral/low/aware website?" http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation/17517
2009: "Wikimedia and Environment" http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation/43381
The numbers discussed in those threads are undoubtedly out of date, but I imagine some of the arguments still apply.
Hope that helps :)
Thanks Guillaume, didn't find those.
It's kinda difficult though to find some useful numbers in those threads, and some arguments I'm reading are completely crazy :-) So I think it would be good to start a new thread. Moreover, WMF is pretty bigger than it was in 2007 or 2009, and I think a new discussion is due. Climate change is a fact, governments are talking about that all the time, even the pope wrote an encyclical about that! It's an important topic, and I bet it is also for our donors.
I'm not really interested in talking about efficiency, as I take for granted that Engineering team is trying hard to optimize the whole thing, which is also good in terms of carbon emissions.
What are we doing, beside that? Do we have a rough estimate of the impact of Wikipedia (authorship, readership, servers. Not talking about plane tickets here.)?
Aubrey
On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 6:12 PM, Guillaume Paumier gpaumier@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello Andrea,
Le dimanche 5 juillet 2015, 17:45:34 Andrea Zanni a écrit :
I tried to find the info myself, with little success: I'm interested to know about the environmental impact of running
Wikipedia
(carbon emissions, etc.) and what we are doing about it. Sorry if I missed wikimedia-l threads, or other sources.
Here are a couple of old threads to get you started:
2007: "WMF-projects: Carbon neutral/low/aware website?" http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation/17517
2009: "Wikimedia and Environment" http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation/43381
The numbers discussed in those threads are undoubtedly out of date, but I imagine some of the arguments still apply.
Hope that helps :)
-- Guillaume Paumier
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Hoi, Greenpeace has a great writeup on the subject. It describes the current issues with the use of energy and how big websites make a difference. Thanks, GerardM
http://www.greenpeace.nl/Global/nederland/report/2015/Klimaat%20en%20energie...
On 5 July 2015 at 17:45, Andrea Zanni zanni.andrea84@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone. I tried to find the info myself, with little success: I'm interested to know about the environmental impact of running Wikipedia (carbon emissions, etc.) and what we are doing about it. Sorry if I missed wikimedia-l threads, or other sources.
The only thing I found regarding a green data center is a 2009 press release [1]. If I understand correctly, it was a carbon neutral data center.
But, it was 2009. Now, it seems that we have a new data center [2][3].
I'm wondering what is the environmental impact of it, as "encironmental impact" was in the primary requirements for the choice [3]. More generally: does the Wikimedia Foundation have a "green" policy? Do other chapters? What can we do about it? Are we interested in doing something about it?
IMHO, I think we should discuss this. I remember quite vividly that a representative of Greenpeace, at Wikimania in London, was quite clear in saying that we are not really good in this matter.
As Wikimedia, as a whole, is more and more exposed (we now fight for the privacy of our users, (and I'm personally very proud of it)), and as we are the 5th website in the world, maybe it's a topic worth talking.
Thank you
Aubrey
[1]
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/Wikimedia_Selects_EvoSwi... [2]
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/05/05/wikimedia-foundation-selects-cyrusone-... [3]
http://www.cyrusone.com/data-center-locations/dallas-data-center-carrollton/... [4]
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Here is the link to the other Greenpeace Report. http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/Global/usa/planet3/PDFs/2015ClickCleanKeyFindings.pdf
This fiscal year we are going to see what can be done, if anything, to influence the owners of the data centers and the building owner for our offices to use more renewable energy.
Regards,
Garfield
On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 8:25 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Greenpeace has a great writeup on the subject. It describes the current issues with the use of energy and how big websites make a difference. Thanks, GerardM
http://www.greenpeace.nl/Global/nederland/report/2015/Klimaat%20en%20energie...
On 5 July 2015 at 17:45, Andrea Zanni zanni.andrea84@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone. I tried to find the info myself, with little success: I'm interested to know about the environmental impact of running
Wikipedia
(carbon emissions, etc.) and what we are doing about it. Sorry if I missed wikimedia-l threads, or other sources.
The only thing I found regarding a green data center is a 2009 press release [1]. If I understand correctly, it was a carbon neutral data center.
But, it was 2009. Now, it seems that we have a new data center [2][3].
I'm wondering what is the environmental impact of it, as "encironmental impact" was in the primary requirements for the choice [3]. More generally: does the Wikimedia Foundation have a "green" policy? Do other chapters? What can we do about it? Are we interested in doing something about it?
IMHO, I think we should discuss this. I remember quite vividly that a representative of Greenpeace, at
Wikimania
in London, was quite clear in saying that we are not really good in this matter.
As Wikimedia, as a whole, is more and more exposed (we now fight for the privacy of our users, (and I'm personally very proud of it)), and as we are the 5th website in the world, maybe it's a topic worth talking.
Thank you
Aubrey
[1]
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/Wikimedia_Selects_EvoSwi...
[2]
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/05/05/wikimedia-foundation-selects-cyrusone-...
[3]
http://www.cyrusone.com/data-center-locations/dallas-data-center-carrollton/...
[4]
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/RFP/2013_Datacenter#Primary_Requirement...
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Hoi, We can certainly aim to influence the owners.
What I have read about this subject is that it is as much about having power produced that is green. We can invest in green energy and at all times at least generate the amount of energy that we use in this way. As a consequence we will increase the availability of green power and more importantly we make a statement that is soo necessary. When we invest close to our datacentres, we can push the utilities to transport the power (they often do not want to) and maybe invest in clean power as well.
With the current plans of Mr Obama, we will see higher temperatures than the 2 degrees Celsius that is considered safe. If every country uses the USA as its yardstick, the Netherlands will prove to be closer to the arctic than New York . This is relevant because the ice of the North Pole will melt and the gulf stream will stop. We will get cold in winter. Thanks, Gerardm
On 6 July 2015 at 18:57, Garfield Byrd gbyrd@wikimedia.org wrote:
Here is the link to the other Greenpeace Report. < http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/Global/usa/planet3/PDFs/2015ClickCleanKeyFindi...
This fiscal year we are going to see what can be done, if anything, to influence the owners of the data centers and the building owner for our offices to use more renewable energy.
Regards,
Garfield
On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 8:25 AM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
wrote:
Hoi, Greenpeace has a great writeup on the subject. It describes the current issues with the use of energy and how big websites make a difference. Thanks, GerardM
http://www.greenpeace.nl/Global/nederland/report/2015/Klimaat%20en%20energie...
On 5 July 2015 at 17:45, Andrea Zanni zanni.andrea84@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone. I tried to find the info myself, with little success: I'm interested to know about the environmental impact of running
Wikipedia
(carbon emissions, etc.) and what we are doing about it. Sorry if I missed wikimedia-l threads, or other sources.
The only thing I found regarding a green data center is a 2009 press release [1]. If I understand correctly, it was a carbon neutral data center.
But, it was 2009. Now, it seems that we have a new data center [2][3].
I'm wondering what is the environmental impact of it, as "encironmental impact" was in the primary requirements for the choice [3]. More generally: does the Wikimedia Foundation have a "green" policy? Do other chapters? What can we do about it? Are we interested in doing something about it?
IMHO, I think we should discuss this. I remember quite vividly that a representative of Greenpeace, at
Wikimania
in London, was quite clear in saying that we are not really good in
this
matter.
As Wikimedia, as a whole, is more and more exposed (we now fight for
the
privacy of our users, (and I'm personally very proud of it)), and as we are the 5th website in the world, maybe it's a topic worth talking.
Thank you
Aubrey
[1]
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/Wikimedia_Selects_EvoSwi...
[2]
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/05/05/wikimedia-foundation-selects-cyrusone-...
[3]
http://www.cyrusone.com/data-center-locations/dallas-data-center-carrollton/...
[4]
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/RFP/2013_Datacenter#Primary_Requirement...
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