< David Strauss wrote:
Not only do I agree, but I believe a similar issue surrounds fair use. Accusations of U.S. centrism are indefensible when they're based on restrictive laws in non-U.S. countries.
Now, that doesn't mean there aren't practical advantages to accommodating other countries' needs, but the lack of doing so is hardly "U.S. centrism."
You see, when we decided to accept images "used with permission" and or with the NC clause, it was done for the very same reasons on en.wiki copyrighted material is used claiming fair use. This is our workaround for not being able to claim fair use, in fact, you will notice that there are cases in which the same image appears on en.wiki with the fair use template and on it.wiki with the "used with permission" or NC template.
That's the reason why, when we are told we should remove those images, but on en.wiki fair use is just ok, people get pissed and obviously talks about U.S. centrism.
In this thread someone said that renounce to fair use would be an intollerable limitation to the freedom of speech. The way we use NC and "used with permission" images is by any respect equivalent to the way you use copyrighted material claiming fair use.
So in the end having to phase out those images, for us, is an intollerable limitation to our freedom of speech.
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On 2/11/07, rfrangi@libero.it rfrangi@libero.it wrote:
You see, when we decided to accept images "used with permission" and or with the NC clause, it was done for the very same reasons on en.wiki copyrighted material is used claiming fair use. This is our workaround for not being able to claim fair use, in fact, you will notice that there are cases in which the same image appears on en.wiki with the fair use template and on it.wiki with the "used with permission" or NC template.
That's the reason why, when we are told we should remove those images, but on en.wiki fair use is just ok, people get pissed and obviously talks about U.S. centrism.
In this thread someone said that renounce to fair use would be an intollerable limitation to the freedom of speech. The way we use NC and "used with permission" images is by any respect equivalent to the way you use copyrighted material claiming fair use.
So in the end having to phase out those images, for us, is an intollerable limitation to our freedom of speech.
This is not the case at all.. You can continue to accept "with permissions" images, so long as they would also qualify as Fair Use.
If what you are saying is completely true, that you only use "with permissions" because there is no fair use in your local law then no images would need to be deleted at all.
However, this does not appear to be the case on itwiki: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:PuntanoQui/Template:Copyrighted
Where very many of these images could have be recreated as free works by anyone.. many of them are even the works of wikipedians but they are not released as free content.
Quoting Gregory Maxwell gmaxwell@gmail.com:
However, this does not appear to be the case on itwiki: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:PuntanoQui/Template:Copyrighted
Where very many of these images could have be recreated as free works by anyone.. many of them are even the works of wikipedians but they are not released as free content.
That's disappointing to read. I imagine, however, that this also happens on projects disallowing "permission only for Wikipedia" but allowing fair use.
Jkelly
Gregory Maxwell ha scritto:
However, this does not appear to be the case on itwiki: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciale:PuntanoQui/Template:Copyrighted
Where very many of these images could have be recreated as free works by anyone.. many of them are even the works of wikipedians but they are not released as free content.
Ok, I think that we need to substitute all the "images with permission" with "free content" images whenever it is possible, and I think we all agree with it. I believe that the problems are only for useful images that aren't available with a free license (or that we can't create by ourselves, there's a ton of that kinds of images even on it.wiki).
My doubt is: do we risk anything by uploading images with permission that someone else on Wikipedia will tag as fair-use? I fear it won't be legally acceptable (or at least who has given the permission will retire it immediately) - I don't have an idea, since I'm not a lawyer.
piero tasso
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