Béria,

I was not calling you out as the only person doing this, you just happened to be the most recent. Certainly we have a tradition in my country of shortening names as well (or just adding the suffix -o or -za to them, so that "John" becomes "Johnno" or "Barry" becomes "Bazza"), but I would never presume to call you "B" or "Bério" or something like that without first being invited to do so. In this case, Jan-Bart has made it abundantly clear that he prefers to be called "Jan-Bart" and not some other name, so we should leave it at that.

Cheers, Craig

Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 02:09:27 -0200 From: B?ria Lima berialima@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012 Message-ID: <CAA2XHjBs-3Xkn1yhztoBUwFzPs_KpuhWyQeoH0pYjcy3=jEHpg@mail.gmail.com

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Gom? called him Jan at least 3 times today and no one complained.

Everyone in Brazil calls me "B" (yah, just the first letter) and here is VERY common to shortening people's names. Is more a way to write it fast than to offend anyone. I can call him Mister de Vreede if you all find this ok, but that would be even more condescending (In my country we only threat people we really dislike by their last name). _____ *B?ria Lima*

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On 15 February 2012 23:09, Craig Franklin craig@halo-17.net wrote:

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I had wanted to keep out of this, but this is the third or fourth time that Jan-Bart has been referred to as "Jan". It was an understandable enough mistake to make the first time, but it's been pointed out enough now that that is no longer an excuse. We do not all have to be best of mates, but it is not unreasonable that we all should show some basic courtesy towards each other, and taking the time to get each other's names right would be a good start.

If you feel that Jan-Bart is being condescending towards you, the best solution to that problem is not more condescension thrown back in the opposite direction.

Cheers, Craig