Hello all,
The discussions on this mailing list are very interesting, but over 200 emails about one single subject is a *very very* lot. Lots of people are fleeing from this list due to the number of emails (not everybody has gmail; some people still get all email through pop). I would like to suggest two possible solutions:
1: Leave foundation-l as it is, but start as well a announcements-list for the foundation, where important announcements (like the hire of new personnel, a new project etc) can be included, and sent to the foundation-l automaticly too. It should include automaticly a link to the thread on foundation-l in the online archives, so people can read the discussion if they are interested. This announcementslist should be moderated, and only used for announcements and notices that a discussion will be started on the foundation-l (the discussionlist). This would make the important stuff easier to follow. Disadvantage: people have to find the list again all over.
2: move the discussion to foundation-discuss-l where the more broad discussions can be done, the discussions on foundation-l should be limited to short notices, sometimes short discussions, directly related, and as soon as the discussion becomes too extensive, move it to the discussion-list with again a link to the relevant archives and a note on what the subject will be.
Another "solution" will be to forget for a part the mailinglistidea and move the heavy discussions to a forum.
I hope the foundation (comcom? sandy?) will take a look at this problem, and see what might be the best (or least worse) solution.
Greetings from a overwhelmed mailbox, Lodewijk
effe iets anders schreef:
Hello all,
The discussions on this mailing list are very interesting, but over 200 emails about one single subject is a *very very* lot. Lots of people are
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Greetings from a overwhelmed mailbox, Lodewijk
Solution; Go to; http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
login and disable mail delivery
And use a usenet client like thunderbird nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation
Then you do not get any emails, you can read and post to the list like it was usenet.
http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation
This works also for almost all other lists.
The discussions on this mailing list are very interesting, but over 200 emails about one single subject is a *very very* lot. Lots of people are fleeing from this list due to the number of emails (not everybody has gmail; some people still get all email through pop). I would like to suggest two possible solutions:
Just switch to the daily digest, that way you only get 1 email a day.
On 2/13/07, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
The discussions on this mailing list are very interesting, but over 200 emails about one single subject is a *very very* lot. Lots of people are fleeing from this list due to the number of emails (not everybody has gmail; some people still get all email through pop). I would like to suggest two possible solutions:
Just switch to the daily digest, that way you only get 1 email a day.
When I used daily digest, I got something like five digests a day, because it only included 10 emails in each digest, and it didn't thread in Gmail, so it made discussions even harder to follow.
What I think should be done about Foundation-l is to split it into two parts: one, called, tada, foundation-l, about _Foundation_ matters, and one called wikimedia-l, about _community_ matters. The way it is today the two are mixed, even though they have quite little to do with eachother (well, the issues discussed don't; of course the Foundation itself has a lot to do with the community).
Jon Harald Søby wrote:
What I think should be done about Foundation-l is to split it into two parts: one, called, tada, foundation-l, about _Foundation_ matters, and one called wikimedia-l, about _community_ matters. The way it is today the two are mixed, even though they have quite little to do with eachother (well, the issues discussed don't; of course the Foundation itself has a lot to do with the community).
But... yes ! Meta.org is about wikimedia project issues. wikimediafoundation.org iks about the foundation. Foundation-l is about the founation.
What about a meta-l at wikimedia.org for community issues ?
ant
On 2/13/07, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
The discussions on this mailing list are very interesting, but over 200 emails about one single subject is a *very very* lot. Lots of people are fleeing from this list due to the number of emails (not everybody has
gmail;
some people still get all email through pop). I would like to suggest
two
possible solutions:
Just switch to the daily digest, that way you only get 1 email a day.
The problem isn't the number of emails you get, but the [[signal-to-noise ratio]] of this list. Getting one daily digest doesn't make it easier to find the relevant emails among all the sterile « discussions ».
AFAIK, every Foundation 'announcement' is posted on http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Current_events
So if anyone just wants to read the announcements they could simply go to that page and read it. Maybe a RSS feed of the 'current events' would make that a little more easy, but i don't know if that's technically possible in Mediawiki.
-- Hay Kranen / [[User:Husky]]
On 2/13/07, Guillaume Paumier guillom.pom@gmail.com wrote:
On 2/13/07, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton@gmail.com > wrote:
The discussions on this mailing list are very interesting, but over
200
emails about one single subject is a *very very* lot. Lots of people
are
fleeing from this list due to the number of emails (not everybody has
gmail;
some people still get all email through pop). I would like to suggest
two
possible solutions:
Just switch to the daily digest, that way you only get 1 email a day.
The problem isn't the number of emails you get, but the [[signal-to-noise ratio]] of this list. Getting one daily digest doesn't make it easier to find the relevant emails among all the sterile « discussions ».
-- Guillaume Paumier [[m:User:guillom]] http://www.wikimedia.org _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Le Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:49:24 +0100, Husky a écrit:
AFAIK, every Foundation 'announcement' is posted on http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Current_events
So if anyone just wants to read the announcements they could simply go to that page and read it. Maybe a RSS feed of the 'current events' would make that a little more easy, but i don't know if that's technically possible in Mediawiki.
These messages could be sent to the announce ML (sorry I dont know the exact address, but its gmane.org.wikimedia.announce on usenet), where the wikizine is sent.
Le Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:49:24 +0100, Husky a écrit:
So if anyone just wants to read the announcements they could simply go to that page and read it. Maybe a RSS feed of the 'current events' would make that a little more easy, but i don't know if that's technically possible in Mediawiki.
BTW, you can subscribe to the feeds of the history page : http://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?title=Current_events&action=h...
Never seen that option before, but exactly what i was searching for! Maybe we could add a little 'RSS' icon (like this one: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Feed-icon.svg) to that page with a link to the URL you mentioned? Unfortunately i don't have editing rights on WMF.org, so this has to be done by someone else.
-- Hay Kranen / [[User:Husky]]
On 2/13/07, Nojhan nojhan@gmail.com wrote:
Le Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:49:24 +0100, Husky a écrit:
So if anyone just wants to read the announcements they could simply go
to
that page and read it. Maybe a RSS feed of the 'current events' would
make
that a little more easy, but i don't know if that's technically possible
in
Mediawiki.
BTW, you can subscribe to the feeds of the history page :
http://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?title=Current_events&action=h...
-- Nojhan
foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
effe iets anders schreef:
1: Leave foundation-l as it is, but start as well a
announcements-list for
the foundation, where important announcements (like the hire of new personnel, a new project etc) can be included, and sent to the foundation-l automaticly too. It should include automaticly a link to the thread on foundation-l in the online archives, so people can read the discussion if they are interested. This announcementslist should be moderated, and only used for announcements and notices that a discussion will be started on the foundation-l (the discussionlist). This would make the important stuff easier to follow. Disadvantage: people have to find the list again all over.
It is not exactly the same but I see similarity's between your idea and this old attempt;
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/announce-l/2002-November/000000.html
The idea was also to have a low-traffic list to announce certain things so that it was not hidden between the many other posts and lists. And also to do the discussion on an other list then the announcement list.
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org