One could say we're starting serious work on the Polish local chapter. Therefore, I wanted to ask the foundation a couple of things.
1. From what I understand, Wikimedia Poland could either be a part of Foundation Wikimedia, or it could be a partner of it. What are the differences between the two, and what would be better for the foundation in the end? 2. Some of the Polish Wikipedia users had plan to gain money for Wikipedia by selling custom t-shirts (just like on CafePress), etc. Would it be possible for us to make an agreement by which we could gain money for our chapter in this way? 3. Again a question related with money - we'll forward a part of our income to the Foundation for the servers and any other administrative tasks, but the question is - should we forward a specified amount monthly/yearly (like 10.000 Euro per year) or a percentage of our total income? 4. One of the Wikimedia Chapter pages mentions that the local chapter should have at least 20 members on start. The Polish law states we need 15 members. Would it be okay if we'd start the chapter with 15 members (as probably that much will come to the founding meeting) and then apply the other members as for membership?
I think that's all for now. We should have a draft of the bylaws soon posted in Polish, and we'll be ready to send them to the foundation in the third week of July. If there won't be any objections, we'll start Wikimedia Poland in the middle of August.
If the Foundation has any questions or comments, I'll be happy to listen to them and forward them to our community.
- From what I understand, Wikimedia Poland could either be a part of
Foundation Wikimedia, or it could be a partner of it. What are the differences between the two, and what would be better for the foundation in the end?
I'm not sure what this option means. I believe that Wikimedia Poland should be a local chapter, which means it would be affiliated with the Wikimedia Foundation, but not legally responsible for anything within the Foundation.
- Some of the Polish Wikipedia users had plan to gain money for
Wikipedia by selling custom t-shirts (just like on CafePress), etc. Would it be possible for us to make an agreement by which we could gain money for our chapter in this way?
Yes, you'll need to create a contract for use of the trademarks.
- Again a question related with money - we'll forward a part of our
income to the Foundation for the servers and any other administrative tasks, but the question is - should we forward a specified amount monthly/yearly (like 10.000 Euro per year) or a percentage of our total income?
Assuming both are legal in Poland, this is up to your chapter to decide.
- One of the Wikimedia Chapter pages mentions that the local chapter
should have at least 20 members on start. The Polish law states we need 15 members. Would it be okay if we'd start the chapter with 15 members (as probably that much will come to the founding meeting) and then apply the other members as for membership?
20 was just a suggestion since that would assure there is enough interest, but if you think you have 15 people all very willing to work on this, then that should be enough.
I think that's all for now. We should have a draft of the bylaws soon posted in Polish, and we'll be ready to send them to the foundation in the third week of July. If there won't be any objections, we'll start Wikimedia Poland in the middle of August.
That sounds great.
Angela.
Dariusz Siedlecki wrote:
- From what I understand, Wikimedia Poland could either be a part of
Foundation Wikimedia, or it could be a partner of it. What are the differences between the two, and what would be better for the foundation in the end?
Local chapters are independent organizations, at least so far, and I expect it to be so in the future.
There are two basic choices here:
1. The German model -- the organization is totally independent, and is not the legal representative for the foundation in Germany
2. The French model -- the organization is totally independent, but the Wikimedia Foundation has a sufficient vote (33%) to prevent bylaw changes that the Foundation does not approve of, and the organization *is* the legal representative of the foundation in France.
There are some advantages and disadvantages to either model. I prefer the German model slightly, as I believe it simplifies some issues related to legal liability of the foundation with respect to things like libel and copyright violations and so on.
In both models, the organization should acknowledge in the bylaws that the right to use the name "Wikimedia" comes only at the permission of the foundation.
The reason for these rules is to prevent a civil war with a rogue chapter someday. If a local chapter wants to move in a different direction, away from Wikimedia, they can do so of course -- but under a different name. This is better in terms of enabling people to leave peacefully than if the foundation somehow "owned" the local chapter. :-)
- Some of the Polish Wikipedia users had plan to gain money for
Wikipedia by selling custom t-shirts (just like on CafePress), etc. Would it be possible for us to make an agreement by which we could gain money for our chapter in this way?
Yes. We should soon have a standard trademark agreement for this sort of activity.
- Again a question related with money - we'll forward a part of our
income to the Foundation for the servers and any other administrative tasks, but the question is - should we forward a specified amount monthly/yearly (like 10.000 Euro per year) or a percentage of our total income?
This is a complicated matter and I better not talk about it unless I'm well rested. :-) Someone else can explain how we've done this with the German and French associations.
- One of the Wikimedia Chapter pages mentions that the local chapter
should have at least 20 members on start. The Polish law states we need 15 members. Would it be okay if we'd start the chapter with 15 members (as probably that much will come to the founding meeting) and then apply the other members as for membership?
As Angela said, 15 sounds fine. 20 is just a recommendation. I don't know who made that recommendation, but it sounds sensible. But if you've got 15 excited people, that sounds great.
I think that's all for now. We should have a draft of the bylaws soon posted in Polish, and we'll be ready to send them to the foundation in the third week of July. If there won't be any objections, we'll start Wikimedia Poland in the middle of August.
We will want to put some agreements in place for the trademark usage, etc.
You're on juriwiki-l, right? Hopefully someone there will volunteer to help with this.
--Jimbo
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