This is just to direct everyone's attention to my new project proposal: GlobalFamilyTree http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlobalFamilyTree.
It's goal would be to create a worldwide user-editable genealogy database. More details are on the wiki page.
-- Joel Konkle-Parker Webmaster [Ballsome.com]
E-mail [jjk3@msstate.edu] Phone [662-518-1636]
--- Joel Konkle-Parker jjk3@msstate.edu wrote:
This is just to direct everyone's attention to my new project proposal: GlobalFamilyTree http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlobalFamilyTree.
It's goal would be to create a worldwide user-editable genealogy database. More details are on the wiki page.
I've already proposed that at http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikimorial .
The idea is to simply expand the focus of the the Sep11wiki (which is a rather lonely place).
The only major stumbling block was the name - some people didn't like 'Wikimorial'. Other ideas were: *Wikimedia Memorial (generic and boring, IMO), *Wikipeople (I liked this one so I bought the domain names), *Wikifamily (another one I liked - although in the U.S. right-wing Christian fundamentalists have co-opted the word "family").
Any other ideas?
-- mav
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Quoting Daniel Mayer maveric149@yahoo.com:
I've already proposed that at http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikimorial .
The idea is to simply expand the focus of the the Sep11wiki (which is a rather lonely place).
The only major stumbling block was the name - some people didn't like 'Wikimorial'. Other ideas were: *Wikimedia Memorial (generic and boring, IMO), *Wikipeople (I liked this one so I bought the domain names), *Wikifamily (another one I liked - although in the U.S. right-wing Christian fundamentalists have co-opted the word "family").
Well, I guess I missed that one. It sounds like our end goal is the same, but for different reasons. Your description and name (Wikimorial) implies a memorial/obituary/mourning project, more than a living global genealogy. But perhaps this is not the case?
What I had in mind was a living genealogy reference, not so much memorializing the past, but serving as a reference guide to those curious about their ancestors. This goal wouldn't require a ban on content for the living, either (I'd be interested in looking up my uncle and seeing "So-and-so is a consultant for Whatchamathingy Inc.).
But I agree that these projects can be merged without too much lost. As for the name, I like "Wikipeople", "GlobalFamilyTree", "Wikialogy"(?), "Ancestors"(?).
-- Joel Konkle-Parker Webmaster [Ballsome.com]
E-mail [jjk3@msstate.edu] Phone [662-518-1636]
--- Joel Konkle-Parker jjk3@msstate.edu wrote:
Quoting Daniel Mayer maveric149@yahoo.com:
I've already proposed that at http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikimorial .
The idea is to simply expand the focus of the the Sep11wiki (which is a rather lonely place).
The only major stumbling block was the name - some people didn't like 'Wikimorial'. Other ideas were: *Wikimedia Memorial (generic and boring, IMO), *Wikipeople (I liked this one so I bought the domain names), *Wikifamily (another one I liked - although in the U.S. right-wing
Christian
fundamentalists have co-opted the word "family").
Well, I guess I missed that one. It sounds like our end goal is the same, but for different reasons. Your description and name (Wikimorial) implies a memorial/obituary/mourning project, more than a living global genealogy. But perhaps this is not the case?
It would be both. There would be individual pages on individual people and there also would be memorial pages that list people who died in some disaster/military assault/terrorist act/industrial accident/whatever. The "memorial"-type names were just an emphasis on that aspect.
I would also like to see actual family trees constructed on family name pages. There is a wiki syntax to do this that is being developed.
What I had in mind was a living genealogy reference, not so much memorializing the past, but serving as a reference guide to those curious about their ancestors. This goal wouldn't require a ban on content for the living, either (I'd be interested in looking up my uncle and seeing "So-and-so is a consultant for Whatchamathingy Inc.).
I fear that having pages on the living would cause the creation of vanity pages and the use of Wikimedia resources for personal webpages. At least at first, I would like to ban any articles about any person still living. That still leaves billions of articles to write. If and when this project reaches critical mass and has a 24/7 user community watching the place, then we can talk about expanding the focus to include the living.
But I agree that these projects can be merged without too much lost. As for the name, I like "Wikipeople", "GlobalFamilyTree", "Wikialogy"(?), "Ancestors"(?).
Of those, I like Wikipeople the best.
--mav
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Quoting Daniel Mayer maveric149@yahoo.com:
--- Joel Konkle-Parker jjk3@msstate.edu wrote:
Quoting Daniel Mayer maveric149@yahoo.com:
I've already proposed that at http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikimorial .
The idea is to simply expand the focus of the the Sep11wiki (which is a rather lonely place).
The only major stumbling block was the name - some people didn't like 'Wikimorial'. Other ideas were: *Wikimedia Memorial (generic and boring, IMO), *Wikipeople (I liked this one so I bought the domain names), *Wikifamily (another one I liked - although in the U.S. right-wing
Christian
fundamentalists have co-opted the word "family").
Well, I guess I missed that one. It sounds like our end goal is the same,
but
for different reasons. Your description and name (Wikimorial) implies a memorial/obituary/mourning project, more than a living global genealogy.
But
perhaps this is not the case?
It would be both. There would be individual pages on individual people and there also would be memorial pages that list people who died in some disaster/military assault/terrorist act/industrial accident/whatever. The "memorial"-type names were just an emphasis on that aspect.
I would also like to see actual family trees constructed on family name pages. There is a wiki syntax to do this that is being developed.
It sounds like this is worth pursuing. Shall I continue to discuss this here, or go over to the wiki page?
-- Joel Konkle-Parker Webmaster [Ballsome.com]
E-mail [jjk3@msstate.edu] Phone [662-518-1636]
--- Joel Konkle-Parker jjk3@msstate.edu wrote:
It sounds like this is worth pursuing. Shall I continue to discuss this here, or go over to the wiki page?
The wiki pages on Meta. We should also merge your idea and mine to create [[Wikipeople]] on meta.
-- mav
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Mav (Daniel Mayer) wrote:
Joel Konkle-Parker wrote:
What I had in mind was a living genealogy reference, not so much memorializing the past, but serving as a reference guide to those curious about their ancestors. This goal wouldn't require a ban on content for the living, either (I'd be interested in looking up my uncle and seeing "So-and-so is a consultant for Whatchamathingy Inc.).
I fear that having pages on the living would cause the creation of vanity pages and the use of Wikimedia resources for personal webpages. At least at first, I would like to ban any articles about any person still living. That still leaves billions of articles to write. If and when this project reaches critical mass and has a 24/7 user community watching the place, then we can talk about expanding the focus to include the living.
The format being discussed on Joel's meta page would work for the living, since there's no room for much vanity -- not even a space for Whatchamathingy. If we require that every page contain a link to another extant page, then even the vain people must put in their parents or siblings -- and at that point, we're building the global family tree that Joel wants.
There is a problem with verifiability, the usual problem with vanity pages. But of course, restricting to dead people doesn't help with that. I suspect that we'll have to accept that either Wikimemorial or Wikipeople will contain falsehoods that are never corrected.
But I agree that these projects can be merged without too much lost. As for the name, I like "Wikipeople", "GlobalFamilyTree", "Wikialogy"(?), "Ancestors"(?).
Of those, I like Wikipeople the best.
Me too!
Although in my mind, as I consider this idea, I'm somewhat distinguishing "Wikimemorial" (mav's plan, only dead people, format like [[sep11:]]) from "Wikipeople" (Joel's plan, with living people, format like his meta page).
-- Toby
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