On 12/21/05, Ray Saintonge <saintonge(a)telus.net> wrote: But these aren't hard and fast "facts" of physical science; they're interpretations.

Though I don't think it's right, I can see their point in not wanting their content reproduced freely on Wikipedia; they are in the business of selling definitions, and the DSM-IV online from the APPI costs between $300-400 for individuals. For libraries the price is undoubtedly many, many hundreds of dollars more. If we got after it and posted fair use snippets of the majority of the definitions in the work, the APPI would probably lose money, as well as their editorial control.

I think the idea is probably to make everyone part of their cabal, not to standardize the industry.

Ray Saintonge wrote: Can't do it. Invariant Sections are a subset of Secondary Sections under the GFDL: see definitions below. Basically, it's for acknowledgements, legal disclaimers, etc. If, say, the quotations were all in a separate appendix, never in an entry page itself, and were considered not to "fall directly within" "the Document's overall subject" - highly unlikely for any Wikimedia project I can think of - then it could be declared Invariant. However, this would require every downstream user to republish the quotations appendix in full in every derivative work, no matter what it is. From the GFDL's definitions section: (see [[Wikipedia:Text of the GNU Free Documentation License]]) A "Secondary Section" is a named appendix or a front-matter section of the Document that deals exclusively with the relationship of the publishers or authors of the Document to the Document's overall subject (or to related matters) and contains nothing that could fall directly within that overall subject. (Thus, if the Document is in part a textbook of mathematics, a Secondary Section may not explain any mathematics.) The relationship could be a matter of historical connection with the subject or with related matters, or of legal, commercial, philosophical, ethical or political position regarding them. The "Invariant Sections" are certain Secondary Sections whose titles are designated, as being those of Invariant Sections, in the notice that says that the Document is released under this License. If a section does not fit the above definition of Secondary then it is not allowed to be designated as Invariant. The Document may contain zero Invariant Sections. If the Document does not identify any Invariant Sections then there are none. (end quote)

It would probably be impractical for us to take anything but the