Hello, A week ago, as I found out now, a new association has been found in New York: "Wiki Med Foundation, Inc." (!). We have the Wikimedia Foundation, Inc., we have some other Wikimedias, we have MediaWiki... how is the ordinary man on the street supposed to have the slightest chance to understand the Wikimedia movement? He even confuses "Wikimedia" with "Wikileaks"... I know that that is not the case, but sometimes it even seems that Wikimedians do want to make the movement a terminogical labyrinth. The WMF came with a simple scheme for national chapters, with the formula "Wikimedia X" (with X being the name of the country). I wish something similar for thematic organizations and Wikimedia user groups, and not the advice to even avoid the term "Wikimedia". Confusing terms are a serious barrier for participation, on Wikipedia and in the larger movement. Kind regards, Ziko
If I could talk to the wiki folks, just imagine it Chatting with a chick on IRC Imagine talking on a talk page, buzzing from a banner What a neat achievement that would be.
If I could talk to the wiki folks, learn their languages Maybe take a data dump degree. I'd study mastodon and diesel, camel case and weasel, Interwiki, vandal and IP.
I would converse in C++ and Python, And I would curse in fluent wikify. If people asked me, can you speak sock puppetry, I'd say, 'Of coursery, but why?'
If I conferred with our fuzzy friends, man to editor, Think of the amazing repartee If I could talk to the wiki folks, fork to the wiki folks, Diff and rev and link with the wiki folks, And they could diff and rev and link with me.
If I could speak CC-BY-SA The advantages any sandbox noob could plainly see! Discussing worldwide GLAM and drama With oh so witty llama That’s a big step forward you’ll agree!
Very nice! I'll expect a performance in Hong Kong!
On a serious note, have you seen Geoff's comments on naming of affiliate organisations? On Dec 28, 2012 4:18 PM, "Ziko van Dijk" vandijk@wmnederland.nl wrote:
Hello, A week ago, as I found out now, a new association has been found in New York: "Wiki Med Foundation, Inc." (!). We have the Wikimedia Foundation, Inc., we have some other Wikimedias, we have MediaWiki... how is the ordinary man on the street supposed to have the slightest chance to understand the Wikimedia movement? He even confuses "Wikimedia" with "Wikileaks"... I know that that is not the case, but sometimes it even seems that Wikimedians do want to make the movement a terminogical labyrinth. The WMF came with a simple scheme for national chapters, with the formula "Wikimedia X" (with X being the name of the country). I wish something similar for thematic organizations and Wikimedia user groups, and not the advice to even avoid the term "Wikimedia". Confusing terms are a serious barrier for participation, on Wikipedia and in the larger movement. Kind regards, Ziko
If I could talk to the wiki folks, just imagine it Chatting with a chick on IRC Imagine talking on a talk page, buzzing from a banner What a neat achievement that would be. If I could talk to the wiki folks, learn their languages Maybe take a data dump degree. I'd study mastodon and diesel, camel case and weasel, Interwiki, vandal and IP. I would converse in C++ and Python, And I would curse in fluent wikify. If people asked me, can you speak sock puppetry, I'd say, 'Of coursery, but why?' If I conferred with our fuzzy friends, man to editor, Think of the amazing repartee If I could talk to the wiki folks, fork to the wiki folks, Diff and rev and link with the wiki folks, And they could diff and rev and link with me. If I could speak CC-BY-SA The advantages any sandbox noob could plainly see! Discussing worldwide GLAM and drama With oh so witty llama That’s a big step forward you’ll agree!
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Hi,
it should probably be emphasized that this organization was founded against the advice of the Wikimedia Foundations' Affiliate Committee. It is not recognized at this point.
I am also quite unhappy about the chosen name because of the obvious confusion that is to be expected. But speaking in general terms, you're indeed welcome to join the discussion about naming that has been going on for a while now, on http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Thematic_Organizations . While it is not likely to be possible to have a very rigid convention (thanks to the diversity in the scopes of these organizations) I would appreciate suggestions in how clarity can be achieved.
Best, Lodewijk
2012/12/28 Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com
Very nice! I'll expect a performance in Hong Kong!
On a serious note, have you seen Geoff's comments on naming of affiliate organisations? On Dec 28, 2012 4:18 PM, "Ziko van Dijk" vandijk@wmnederland.nl wrote:
Hello, A week ago, as I found out now, a new association has been found in New York: "Wiki Med Foundation, Inc." (!). We have the Wikimedia Foundation, Inc., we have some other Wikimedias, we have MediaWiki... how is the ordinary man on the street supposed to have the slightest chance to understand the Wikimedia movement? He even confuses "Wikimedia" with "Wikileaks"... I know that that is not the case, but sometimes it even seems that Wikimedians do want to make the movement a terminogical labyrinth. The WMF came with a simple scheme for national chapters, with the formula "Wikimedia X" (with X being the name of the country). I wish something similar for thematic organizations and Wikimedia user groups, and not the advice to even avoid the term "Wikimedia". Confusing terms are a serious barrier for participation, on Wikipedia and in the larger movement. Kind regards, Ziko
If I could talk to the wiki folks, just imagine it Chatting with a chick on IRC Imagine talking on a talk page, buzzing from a banner What a neat achievement that would be. If I could talk to the wiki folks, learn their languages Maybe take a data dump degree. I'd study mastodon and diesel, camel case and weasel, Interwiki, vandal and IP. I would converse in C++ and Python, And I would curse in fluent wikify. If people asked me, can you speak sock puppetry, I'd say, 'Of coursery, but why?' If I conferred with our fuzzy friends, man to editor, Think of the amazing repartee If I could talk to the wiki folks, fork to the wiki folks, Diff and rev and link with the wiki folks, And they could diff and rev and link with me. If I could speak CC-BY-SA The advantages any sandbox noob could plainly see! Discussing worldwide GLAM and drama With oh so witty llama That’s a big step forward you’ll agree!
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Indeed, I made use of my last day before leaving for Germany (5 days) to present some thoughts about the affiliations, on that very talk page. Kind regards Ziko
2012/12/28 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org:
Hi,
it should probably be emphasized that this organization was founded against the advice of the Wikimedia Foundations' Affiliate Committee. It is not recognized at this point.
I am also quite unhappy about the chosen name because of the obvious confusion that is to be expected. But speaking in general terms, you're indeed welcome to join the discussion about naming that has been going on for a while now, on http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Thematic_Organizations . While it is not likely to be possible to have a very rigid convention (thanks to the diversity in the scopes of these organizations) I would appreciate suggestions in how clarity can be achieved.
Best, Lodewijk
2012/12/28 Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com
Very nice! I'll expect a performance in Hong Kong!
On a serious note, have you seen Geoff's comments on naming of affiliate organisations? On Dec 28, 2012 4:18 PM, "Ziko van Dijk" vandijk@wmnederland.nl wrote:
Hello, A week ago, as I found out now, a new association has been found in New York: "Wiki Med Foundation, Inc." (!). We have the Wikimedia Foundation, Inc., we have some other Wikimedias, we have MediaWiki... how is the ordinary man on the street supposed to have the slightest chance to understand the Wikimedia movement? He even confuses "Wikimedia" with "Wikileaks"... I know that that is not the case, but sometimes it even seems that Wikimedians do want to make the movement a terminogical labyrinth. The WMF came with a simple scheme for national chapters, with the formula "Wikimedia X" (with X being the name of the country). I wish something similar for thematic organizations and Wikimedia user groups, and not the advice to even avoid the term "Wikimedia". Confusing terms are a serious barrier for participation, on Wikipedia and in the larger movement. Kind regards, Ziko
If I could talk to the wiki folks, just imagine it Chatting with a chick on IRC Imagine talking on a talk page, buzzing from a banner What a neat achievement that would be. If I could talk to the wiki folks, learn their languages Maybe take a data dump degree. I'd study mastodon and diesel, camel case and weasel, Interwiki, vandal and IP. I would converse in C++ and Python, And I would curse in fluent wikify. If people asked me, can you speak sock puppetry, I'd say, 'Of coursery, but why?' If I conferred with our fuzzy friends, man to editor, Think of the amazing repartee If I could talk to the wiki folks, fork to the wiki folks, Diff and rev and link with the wiki folks, And they could diff and rev and link with me. If I could speak CC-BY-SA The advantages any sandbox noob could plainly see! Discussing worldwide GLAM and drama With oh so witty llama That’s a big step forward you’ll agree!
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Thank you Ziko – your post is great! ( http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Thematic_Organizations#Scope_a... )
Best regards, Bence
(P.S. AffCom is still looking for new members ready to think about the hard questions that are raised there: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Call_for_Candidates_20... )
Wow, I want to start a Thematic Organization just so I can call it a "thorg"! What a great acronym :)
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Bence Damokos bdamokos@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you Ziko – your post is great! (
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Thematic_Organizations#Scope_a... )
Best regards, Bence
(P.S. AffCom is still looking for new members ready to think about the hard questions that are raised there:
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On Dec 28, 2012 7:12 PM, "Lodewijk" lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Hi,
it should probably be emphasized that this organization was founded
against
the advice of the Wikimedia Foundations' Affiliate Committee. It is not recognized at this point.
Does it have a license to use the Wikimedia trademark in its name?
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.comwrote:
On Dec 28, 2012 7:12 PM, "Lodewijk" lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Hi,
it should probably be emphasized that this organization was founded
against
the advice of the Wikimedia Foundations' Affiliate Committee. It is not recognized at this point.
Does it have a license to use the Wikimedia trademark in its name?
If you mean Wiki Med, it doesn't currently have the trademark in the name. (Wiki Med Foundation Inc.)
Best regards, Bence
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On Dec 28, 2012 9:53 PM, "Bence Damokos" bdamokos@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On Dec 28, 2012 7:12 PM, "Lodewijk" lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Hi,
it should probably be emphasized that this organization was founded
against
the advice of the Wikimedia Foundations' Affiliate Committee. It is
not
recognized at this point.
Does it have a license to use the Wikimedia trademark in its name?
If you mean Wiki Med, it doesn't currently have the trademark in the name.
Apologies, wasn't reading carefully enough!
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