On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:20:15PM +0100, Thomas Morton wrote:
On 11 October 2011 21:51, Kim Bruning
<kim(a)bruning.xs4all.nl> wrote:
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 09:55:46PM +0100,
WereSpielChequers wrote:
OK in a spirit of compromise I have designed an
Image filter which should
meet most of the needs that people have expressed and resolve most of the
objections that I'm aware of. Just as importantly it should actually
work.
Hmm, how would it fare against a marblecake attack? ;-)
http://musicmachinery.com/2009/04/15/inside-the-precision-hack/
I agree on the one hand that anything is potentially gameable but:
a) Wikipedia is notoriously gameable and yet, fingers crossed, we have not
had a mass Anon. attack.
Actually, we've had all kinds of attacks. Anonymous is essentially our
friend though. The folks going after us are <name suppressed to protect
the guilty>.
Thanks to our anti-gaming policy (aka IAR), they don't often succeed }:-)>
b) The Time "hack" was rudimentary at every
step - no matter how the media
(or this blog) portray it. The root cause of the hack was a technical
ineptness at a several levels in the Time poll which allowed it to be
maninpulated on a number of levels.
Quite so. This means that we should learn from their ineptness, rather
than -say- copying it ;-)
On the face of it any such system might be gameable; but no specific
implementation details have been laid out (beyond the basic framework). So
the concern "it might be hacked to force a certain result" is one of the
most easily addressed :)
General rule of thumb: If you leak value preferences between users, with
no intermediate (soft) security, your system might be game-able.
More problematic with your blithe dismissal
I didn't dismiss anything,
I asked how it would fare against a marblecake attack!
is that the proposed implementation is inherently not
all that
gameable. This is because, as described, working out the filter for
any individual is a P=NP (travelling salesman) problem.
And this is an interesting and constructive answer to that question. \o/
:-)
sincerely,
Kim Bruning
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