On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:02 AM, Michael Peel email@mikepeel.net wrote:
Have you seen Katherine's statement at: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/01/30/knowledge-knows-no-boundaries/
That statement is well worth reading. It says,
"we believe in a world that encourages and protects the open exchange of ideas and information, community and culture; where people of every country, language, and culture can freely collaborate without restriction"
"we will continue to stand up for our values of open discourse"
+1
The charter of this mailing list says "potential new Wikimedia projects and initiatives" are on topic here. There are no exceptions given.
If some participants want to restrict what other participants can say because their ideas are political, or don't conform closely enough to what Wikimedia is already doing, or are repetitive, or annoying, or opposed to somebody else's politics, then a new mailing list should be created, Wikimedia-l-restricted, where the forbidden topics can be specified clearly and without ambiguity, and all of the people who want to restrict what other people can say can enjoy restricting each other.
Good luck with that.
The complaints about messages complaining about recent political events FAR MORE ANNOYING AND FAR MORE INAPPROPRIATE than the complaints about recent political events.
-Will
I really want to thank the Wikimedia foundation and Katherine Maher for taking such a clear position on this matter.
Kind ragards,
Natacha Rault / Nattes à chat
Le 2 févr. 2017 à 07:48, Bill Takatoshi billtakatoshi@gmail.com a écrit :
On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:02 AM, Michael Peel email@mikepeel.net wrote:
Have you seen Katherine's statement at: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/01/30/knowledge-knows-no-boundaries/
That statement is well worth reading. It says,
"we believe in a world that encourages and protects the open exchange of ideas and information, community and culture; where people of every country, language, and culture can freely collaborate without restriction"
"we will continue to stand up for our values of open discourse"
+1
The charter of this mailing list says "potential new Wikimedia projects and initiatives" are on topic here. There are no exceptions given.
If some participants want to restrict what other participants can say because their ideas are political, or don't conform closely enough to what Wikimedia is already doing, or are repetitive, or annoying, or opposed to somebody else's politics, then a new mailing list should be created, Wikimedia-l-restricted, where the forbidden topics can be specified clearly and without ambiguity, and all of the people who want to restrict what other people can say can enjoy restricting each other.
Good luck with that.
The complaints about messages complaining about recent political events FAR MORE ANNOYING AND FAR MORE INAPPROPRIATE than the complaints about recent political events.
-Will
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So now I'm put into the awkward position of having to agree with essentially everything the post said, and still have to disagree with it having been made.
The WMF should not be taking political stances without input and consensus from the community. Period. If it thought it needed to in this case, it should have made that case, not just plowed ahead.
I think, since the post was made under the name of ED Katherine Maher, we should see a response to these concerns from her.
Todd
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:48 PM, Bill Takatoshi billtakatoshi@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:02 AM, Michael Peel email@mikepeel.net wrote:
Have you seen Katherine's statement at: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/01/30/knowledge-knows-no-boundaries/
That statement is well worth reading. It says,
"we believe in a world that encourages and protects the open exchange of ideas and information, community and culture; where people of every country, language, and culture can freely collaborate without restriction"
"we will continue to stand up for our values of open discourse"
+1
The charter of this mailing list says "potential new Wikimedia projects and initiatives" are on topic here. There are no exceptions given.
If some participants want to restrict what other participants can say because their ideas are political, or don't conform closely enough to what Wikimedia is already doing, or are repetitive, or annoying, or opposed to somebody else's politics, then a new mailing list should be created, Wikimedia-l-restricted, where the forbidden topics can be specified clearly and without ambiguity, and all of the people who want to restrict what other people can say can enjoy restricting each other.
Good luck with that.
The complaints about messages complaining about recent political events FAR MORE ANNOYING AND FAR MORE INAPPROPRIATE than the complaints about recent political events.
-Will
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