Well, since the list is being overrun by people's comments on the Answers.com agreement, I may as well dive in with some thoughts of my own. I think I am pretty qualified to speak-after all, I actually saw the agreement, which is more than I can say for many of the people commenting on it.
But first, I want to tell you a little story about my former place of employment, a museum in Manhattan. Said Museum is now $17 million dollars in debt. It has used up its emergency fund. It has been forced to let people go (I was not let go, and was immediately replaced, but a few of my colleagues, including many more qualified than me, were).
It's part of a problem faced by most not-for-profits today. Lots of great ideas, and not enough money to go around. In fact, the little donations ($10-$500), or in the case of museums, admissions are never enough to cover basic operating costs.
We are now among the top 30 websites in the world. I believe that we are the only one that is a not-for-profit (haven't checked it recently, but it is a fairly safe assumption). How can we cover our operating costs?
Grants are one possibility, but there are plenty of people competing for those same grants. Besides, grants have to be sexy. And they have to be something we can really carry through with. And NO ONE will give us a substantial sum to just do whatever we want with it. The CFO of my old place of employment used to tell me that it was easy to find people to pay for some crap sculpture that no one else liked, or for marble in the elevators, but when it came to basic operating costs like a monthly cleaning bill of $40,000-forget it.
Nor are we in the position to put up a plaque, have a cocktail reception, and dedicate the "Stanley and Edith Rosenthal Server in honor of their grandson Milton's bar mitzvah." Nor do we want to.
We don't want pop up ads on our site. We don't want ad sense or Google ads, though I find it rather odd that one of the vocal opponents to the Answers.com deal admits to running a mirror of Wikipedia with Google ads. Along comes someone who wants to use our information, which we are giving away for free, and to pay us for it in the name of fair play. Rather than asking for ads on every page, they simply suggested a modest link on a single page, a tools page which most people don't go to. They did this out of respect for our mission and our ideals.
How are people responding? Well, someone suggested that it would be better to shut down Wikipedia for editing except for one hour a day. People are talking about drastically cutting the budget, though I can only wonder if they can point to anything significant in the budget that can be cut, or if they have even seen the budget at all. Of course, everyone wants the site to run faster. I would just like someone to tell us how we can do just that without getting significant funding. I would like someone to explain to me how we can realize our goal of providing every person in the world with an encyclopedia in a language that they can understand without paying for it in some way.
Danny
On 10/24/05, daniwo59@aol.com daniwo59@aol.com wrote:
We don't want pop up ads on our site. We don't want ad sense or Google ads, though I find it rather odd that one of the vocal opponents to the Answers.com http://Answers.com deal admits to running a mirror of Wikipedia with Google ads.
Since I'm the only one on this list I know that runs a mirror of Wikipedia with Google ads, I assume you're talking about me.
I'm not against the answers.com http://answers.com deal. Not at all. I think it'd be better if we built our own open source version of the 1-click software, and took 100% of the revenues, but until that software has been written I think it's perfectly fine to get 50%. I think that putting a prominently placed link to the software on [[Wikipedia:Tools]] would be advertising, but I don't think that advertising is necessarily a bad thing, and after hearing from Jimbo who has implied that [[Wikipedia:Tools]] will be open for editing just like any other wiki page I don't even think I'd call it advertising. Finally, I think a CPA should be consulted to ensure that any revenues generated won't be taxed, if this hasn't already been done.
I'm not at all against the answers.com http://answers.com deal. In fact, I think Wikipedia should start putting opt-out Google Adsense ads on the site, and barring agreement for that (which probably wouldn't be easy to obtain), that we should put opt-in Google Adsense ads on the site. If that feature was enabled, I'd personally opt-in to the ads, both to give Wikipedia some extra revenue, and because I actually find Google Adsense ads to be a feature. I don't want pop-up ads, though I don't think they'd be effective anyway. Most people nowadays probably block pop-up ads. I know I do.
So, maybe you were talking about a different person who runs a mirror of Wikipedia and runs Google Adsense ads on it. If so, sorry for jumping to conclusions :).
Let me finish by saying that while I make a few bucks off my Wikipedia mirror, it's much less than minimum wage considering all the time I spend working on it (and the fact that I roll the majority of the revenues back into hardware to run the site). If I ever made a significant profit off of that site I'd gladly share the majority of it with Wikipedia. In fact, it is my goal to use the money from this site to create The Free Content Foundation, and as soon as I get a couple people to join me in that goal I plan to make mcfly.org http://mcfly.org a non-profit.
Anthony
daniwo59@aol.com wrote:
We are now among the top 30 websites in the world. I believe that we are the only one that is a not-for-profit (haven't checked it recently, but it is a fairly safe assumption). How can we cover our operating costs?
I think the BBC is not-for-profit.
Gerrit.
Gerrit Holl wrote:
I think the BBC is not-for-profit.
Gerrit.
More precisely it is a subsidised organisation which funnels any profit back into programming. The BBC is aided by the fact that anyone who watches TV has to pay a TV licence.
Interesting fact - only a very small percentage (3.5%, or £0.35 per month) of the licence fee is spent on bbc.co.uk.
Chris
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