Notafish (Delphine) has told me on my talk page that the 3D masthead I made for my redesign of the www.wikimedia.org portal (which incorporates the Wikimedia Foundation logo) violates a newly-publicised Wikimedia Foundation policy about the use of the Wikimedia logo.
Delphine also tells me that the file should also be deleted from the Commons as well. Apparently the policy this image violates is that no derivative of the logo may be used without the prior approval of the Foundation.
Is there any chance the Board would approve my derivative of the logo? The masthead in question is located at:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Foundation_3D.png
and the logo policy that was made public after my logo had been on the portal for several days is:
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikimedia_visual_identity_guidelines
Forgive me for being a cynic, but was that policy made public solely as a result of my logo derivative, in order to have it removed from the portal? Apparently that policy had been on some "Internal Wiki" for quite some time beforehand. If someone didn't like the logo derivative I made then they could have just told me.
~Mark Ryan
Mark Ryan wrote:
Hi Mark
I already explained a bit more to Mark on irc, but to clarify...
Notafish (Delphine) has told me on my talk page that the 3D masthead I made for my redesign of the www.wikimedia.org portal (which incorporates the Wikimedia Foundation logo) violates a newly-publicised Wikimedia Foundation policy about the use of the Wikimedia logo.
Delphine also tells me that the file should also be deleted from the Commons as well. Apparently the policy this image violates is that no derivative of the logo may be used without the prior approval of the Foundation.
There is an unclear sentence on the guidelines page. It seems to imply that no derivative will be accepted. While indeed, the reality is that some derivative exist, but should be approved prior to their use. And certainly prior to their upload on commons, since these are cp logos.
Is there any chance the Board would approve my derivative of the logo? The masthead in question is located at:
I have no problem with the logo per se, but have a problem with the place you intend to use it. This page is the wikimedia portal, and there, should stand only the official logo. Not a derivative imho.
and the logo policy that was made public after my logo had been on the portal for several days is:
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikimedia_visual_identity_guidelines
Forgive me for being a cynic, but was that policy made public solely as a result of my logo derivative, in order to have it removed from the portal? Apparently that policy had been on some "Internal Wiki" for quite some time beforehand. If someone didn't like the logo derivative I made then they could have just told me.
The guidelines have been made about 2 months ago. We were slow in publishing them :-) I think noone informed you, because no one realised :-)
~Mark Ryan
cheers
Ant
On 1/7/06, Anthere Anthere9@yahoo.com wrote:
There is an unclear sentence on the guidelines page. It seems to imply that no derivative will be accepted. While indeed, the reality is that some derivative exist, but should be approved prior to their use. And certainly prior to their upload on commons, since these are cp logos.
I changed it to: "Note that no derivative of the Wikimedia logo can be published without prior approval from the Foundation."
Cheers,
Delphine -- ~notafish
Delphine Ménard wrote:
On 1/7/06, Anthere Anthere9@yahoo.com wrote:
There is an unclear sentence on the guidelines page. It seems to imply that no derivative will be accepted. While indeed, the reality is that some derivative exist, but should be approved prior to their use. And certainly prior to their upload on commons, since these are cp logos.
I changed it to: "Note that no derivative of the Wikimedia logo can be published without prior approval from the Foundation."
Cheers,
Delphine
~notafish
Perfect to me Delphine :-)
ant
I agree with Anthere's responses to the other part of your mail, so I'll just respond to this part:
Is there any chance the Board would approve my derivative of the logo?
I'd suggest the logo not be hastily deleted since there are dozens of derivatives and it might set a precedent for deleting those. The visual guidelines policy is not the same as the policy which says how derivative logos are to be handled - we don't yet have a policy for that. Some initial examples are at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Uses_of_logo_derivatives but it's not moved much beyond this stage yet. Until we have a policy, we can not approve your logo, but I would rather it be kept for discussion than deleted at this stage.
Angela.
Mark Ryan wrote:
Forgive me for being a cynic, but was that policy made public solely as a result of my logo derivative, in order to have it removed from the portal?
Oh no no no no! It was in the works for a long time, and I'm very sorry the timing made it appear this way. To my knowledge anyway, no one really connected this in any way to any work that you're doing.
Apparently that policy had been on some "Internal Wiki"
for quite some time beforehand. If someone didn't like the logo derivative I made then they could have just told me.
~Mark Ryan
On 08/01/06, Jimmy Wales jwales@wikia.com wrote:
Oh no no no no! It was in the works for a long time, and I'm very sorry the timing made it appear this way. To my knowledge anyway, no one really connected this in any way to any work that you're doing.
I am just a conspiracy theorist at heart :) I'm glad there are guidelines now on the logo use; someone's put a lot of effort into them and (in my opinion) they have been sorely needed.
Just one question: what is the position regarding derivatives of the project logos? Does this policy apply to them too?
~Mark Ryan
Just one question: what is the position regarding derivatives of the project logos? Does this policy apply to them too?
Yes, the idea is to extend the policy to cover all the logos. That might not have been done just yet, but there's no reason I know of that the same wording wouldn't apply.
Angela
On 1/8/06, Angela beesley@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, the idea is to extend the policy to cover all the logos. That might not have been done just yet, but there's no reason I know of that the same wording wouldn't apply.
Does the Board want projects to engage in some kind of cleanup operation? If so, should the images be speedily deleted? Or should we wait for another announcement?
-- Sam
On 1/8/06, Sam Korn smoddy@gmail.com wrote:
Does the Board want projects to engage in some kind of cleanup operation? If so, should the images be speedily deleted? Or should we wait for another announcement?
I'd suggest waiting. There's no need to be too hasty to irreversibly delete images. Let's work out the policy on derivatives first.
Angela
Also we need project name policy.
It's easy with "Wikipedia". "Encyclopedia" is an international word in the vast majority of modern languages, but we have project name in different alphabet. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Final_logo_variants/Nohat#Version_X
It's quite another matter with WikiSource. Word "Source" is not easy to translate. So, example, en Russian, we have "Викитека" (WikiThek) that literally means "WikiLibrary". In Hebrew it's "WikiText" See http://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Project_namespaces
-- Alexander Sigachov
I have also a question/problem;
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikimedia_visual_identity_guidelines#Log...
"The logo should not be turned around or distorted"
That is what I am doing here; http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/announce-l
It gives a (poor) 3D effect. Like the Wikimedia family-logo is a carpet and the Wikizine name is hovering above it. That is a good visual representation what Wikizine trys to be; about the Wikimedia projects but not a Wikimedia project.
I like it. Can I have permission to keep this so please?
Greetings, Walter
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