Up until recently, Saudi Arabian journalist Jamal Khashoggi worked for the Washington Post. What happened to him? I couldn't say it better than Wikipedia: [1]
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On 2 October 2018, Khashoggi entered the Saudi Arabian consulate in Istanbul to obtain documents related to his marriage; he never left the building and was subsequently declared a missing person. Anonymous Turkish police sources have alleged that he was murdered and dismembered inside the consulate.
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The Washington Post has now published Khashoggi's last column, titled appropriately, "What the Arab world needs most is free expression". [2] In it, he writes of the need for translation efforts and platforms for free expression:
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Arabs need to read in their own language so they can understand and discuss the various aspects and complications of democracy in the United States and the West. If an Egyptian reads an article exposing the actual cost of a construction project in Washington, then he or she would be able to better understand the implications of similar projects in his or her community.
The Arab world needs a modern version of the old transnational media so citizens can be informed about global events. More important, we need to provide a platform for Arab voices. We suffer from poverty, mismanagement and poor education. Through the creation of an independent international forum, isolated from the influence of nationalist governments spreading hate through propaganda, ordinary people in the Arab world would be able to address the structural problems their societies face.
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I'm wondering what folks in the Wikimedia community and movement make of this call to action. Is there more that Wikimedia can do, for example, to support translation of news articles into many languages?
There is nothing in Jamal's own op-ed that indicates that it would be legally permissible to translate it. This is, unfortunately, the norm for news; there are few outlets that use a Creative Commons license, and those that do, typically tend to choose the most restrictive variants.
Perhaps there would be value in an organized community effort that would pick up news articles [3] that _are_ licensed under free licenses, and translate them into as many languages as possible. If launched under a prominent umbrella -- e.g., Wikimedia --, this might then also help incentivize more outlets to selectively license content openly, permitting translation. Beyond its intrinsic value, such an effort would also help the Wikimedia projects by expanding the reach of impacted citations into more languages.
Thoughts? Does Jamal's call to action resonate in other ways with Wikimedia's mission?
Sincerely,
Erik
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamal_Khashoggi -- written by multiple authors and distributed under Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike-License 3.0 Unported
[2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/jamal-khashoggi-what... -- quoted as fair use
[3] Likely restricted to some subset of outlets, e.g., sources most Wikipedia editions would accept as citations
The Global Voices translation team https://globalvoices.org/global-voices-translation-services/ may have thoughts. Syndication services may help use of the translations begets interest. Perhaps process insight from the AP?
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 10:52 PM Erik Moeller eloquence@gmail.com wrote:
Up until recently, Saudi Arabian journalist Jamal Khashoggi worked for the Washington Post. What happened to him? I couldn't say it better than Wikipedia: [1]
(begin quote)
On 2 October 2018, Khashoggi entered the Saudi Arabian consulate in Istanbul to obtain documents related to his marriage; he never left the building and was subsequently declared a missing person. Anonymous Turkish police sources have alleged that he was murdered and dismembered inside the consulate.
(end quote)
The Washington Post has now published Khashoggi's last column, titled appropriately, "What the Arab world needs most is free expression". [2] In it, he writes of the need for translation efforts and platforms for free expression:
(begin quote)
Arabs need to read in their own language so they can understand and discuss the various aspects and complications of democracy in the United States and the West. If an Egyptian reads an article exposing the actual cost of a construction project in Washington, then he or she would be able to better understand the implications of similar projects in his or her community.
The Arab world needs a modern version of the old transnational media so citizens can be informed about global events. More important, we need to provide a platform for Arab voices. We suffer from poverty, mismanagement and poor education. Through the creation of an independent international forum, isolated from the influence of nationalist governments spreading hate through propaganda, ordinary people in the Arab world would be able to address the structural problems their societies face.
(end quote)
I'm wondering what folks in the Wikimedia community and movement make of this call to action. Is there more that Wikimedia can do, for example, to support translation of news articles into many languages?
There is nothing in Jamal's own op-ed that indicates that it would be legally permissible to translate it. This is, unfortunately, the norm for news; there are few outlets that use a Creative Commons license, and those that do, typically tend to choose the most restrictive variants.
Perhaps there would be value in an organized community effort that would pick up news articles [3] that _are_ licensed under free licenses, and translate them into as many languages as possible. If launched under a prominent umbrella -- e.g., Wikimedia --, this might then also help incentivize more outlets to selectively license content openly, permitting translation. Beyond its intrinsic value, such an effort would also help the Wikimedia projects by expanding the reach of impacted citations into more languages.
Thoughts? Does Jamal's call to action resonate in other ways with Wikimedia's mission?
Sincerely,
Erik
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamal_Khashoggi -- written by multiple authors and distributed under Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike-License 3.0 Unported
[2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/jamal-khashoggi-what... -- quoted as fair use
[3] Likely restricted to some subset of outlets, e.g., sources most Wikipedia editions would accept as citations
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Apparently his editor Karen Attiah at WaPo has already made Khashoggi's works available in Arabic (I assume everything was published originally in English, but not sure) https://twitter.com/KarenAttiah/status/1052150458960281600
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 2:50 AM Samuel Klein meta.sj@gmail.com wrote:
The Global Voices translation team https://globalvoices.org/global-voices-translation-services/ may have thoughts. Syndication services may help use of the translations begets interest. Perhaps process insight from the AP?
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 10:52 PM Erik Moeller eloquence@gmail.com wrote:
Up until recently, Saudi Arabian journalist Jamal Khashoggi worked for the Washington Post. What happened to him? I couldn't say it better than Wikipedia: [1]
(begin quote)
On 2 October 2018, Khashoggi entered the Saudi Arabian consulate in Istanbul to obtain documents related to his marriage; he never left the building and was subsequently declared a missing person. Anonymous Turkish police sources have alleged that he was murdered and dismembered inside the consulate.
(end quote)
The Washington Post has now published Khashoggi's last column, titled appropriately, "What the Arab world needs most is free expression". [2] In it, he writes of the need for translation efforts and platforms for free expression:
(begin quote)
Arabs need to read in their own language so they can understand and discuss the various aspects and complications of democracy in the United States and the West. If an Egyptian reads an article exposing the actual cost of a construction project in Washington, then he or she would be able to better understand the implications of similar projects in his or her community.
The Arab world needs a modern version of the old transnational media so citizens can be informed about global events. More important, we need to provide a platform for Arab voices. We suffer from poverty, mismanagement and poor education. Through the creation of an independent international forum, isolated from the influence of nationalist governments spreading hate through propaganda, ordinary people in the Arab world would be able to address the structural problems their societies face.
(end quote)
I'm wondering what folks in the Wikimedia community and movement make of this call to action. Is there more that Wikimedia can do, for example, to support translation of news articles into many languages?
There is nothing in Jamal's own op-ed that indicates that it would be legally permissible to translate it. This is, unfortunately, the norm for news; there are few outlets that use a Creative Commons license, and those that do, typically tend to choose the most restrictive variants.
Perhaps there would be value in an organized community effort that would pick up news articles [3] that _are_ licensed under free licenses, and translate them into as many languages as possible. If launched under a prominent umbrella -- e.g., Wikimedia --, this might then also help incentivize more outlets to selectively license content openly, permitting translation. Beyond its intrinsic value, such an effort would also help the Wikimedia projects by expanding the reach of impacted citations into more languages.
Thoughts? Does Jamal's call to action resonate in other ways with Wikimedia's mission?
Sincerely,
Erik
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamal_Khashoggi -- written by multiple authors and distributed under Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike-License 3.0 Unported
[2]
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/jamal-khashoggi-what...
-- quoted as fair use
[3] Likely restricted to some subset of outlets, e.g., sources most Wikipedia editions would accept as citations
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Hi Erik,
Le 18/10/2018 à 04:51, Erik Moeller a écrit :
I'm wondering what folks in the Wikimedia community and movement make of this call to action. Is there more that Wikimedia can do, for example, to support translation of news articles into many languages?
There is nothing in Jamal's own op-ed that indicates that it would be legally permissible to translate it. This is, unfortunately, the norm for news; there are few outlets that use a Creative Commons license, and those that do, typically tend to choose the most restrictive variants.
What we already have is Wikinews, which use CC-BY-2.5 following a community pool of 2005 : https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikinews/Licensure_Poll
It seems that the content translation extension is not installed on Wikinews:
* https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Special:Version * https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Content_translation
So installing it might be a way to lower the barrier on this point.
Of course this is not the only issue why Wikinews doesn't attract that many people, there are already plethora of analyzes of the subject out there I guess, here is one: https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Wikinews-so-under-used
Personally, which sadly resonate with the terrible story of Jamal Khashoggi, I would add additional uncertainty for mere citizen compared to a professional journalist. That said I'm not very knowledgeable about this, are secret of sources usable by any citizen which would publish something on Wikinews? Documenting risks and how to mitigate them when contributing to Wikinews might be an other way to improve what we already provide.
With all my sympathy to Jamal's relatives and all journalists around the world risking their lives in the name of truth, Mathieu
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