When a contentious question about the community's opinion is preventing consideration of one or more proposals, what is the best way forward, in general?
I am considering commissioning a survey of community opinion from a neutral and respected third party who has published a well-received survey of English wikipedians a few years ago.
The Foundation is not willing to help, in part because, "Reaching consensus on what wording to use, the quality of the results, and how to interpret the results will be very challenging and take significant amount of time." I would argue that not doing such a survey, or relying on opt-in methods like RFCs, are both worse than obtaining a respected third party to perform a straw poll of recent editors with an established history of contributions composed of a few unambiguous opinion questions.
If I did this, would anyone object to a gofundme intended to recover the cost of commissioning the survey on a voluntary basis?
What would your intended use of the results of such a survey be? How do you think the community, or any group of people, should interpret, value and react to the results?
On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 7:59 PM, Bill Takatoshi billtakatoshi@gmail.com wrote:
When a contentious question about the community's opinion is preventing consideration of one or more proposals, what is the best way forward, in general?
I am considering commissioning a survey of community opinion from a neutral and respected third party who has published a well-received survey of English wikipedians a few years ago.
The Foundation is not willing to help, in part because, "Reaching consensus on what wording to use, the quality of the results, and how to interpret the results will be very challenging and take significant amount of time." I would argue that not doing such a survey, or relying on opt-in methods like RFCs, are both worse than obtaining a respected third party to perform a straw poll of recent editors with an established history of contributions composed of a few unambiguous opinion questions.
If I did this, would anyone object to a gofundme intended to recover the cost of commissioning the survey on a voluntary basis?
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Nathan,
These are indeed excellent questions which should be asked before starting any survey. I wish I could be confident that it is universal practice for the Foundation to undertake this exercise before each of the rather numerous surveys they make of the community, and always able to view, as transparency would require, the documentation of these issues before and after every one of those surveys.
"Rogol"
On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 1:03 AM, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
What would your intended use of the results of such a survey be? How do you think the community, or any group of people, should interpret, value and react to the results?
On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 7:59 PM, Bill Takatoshi billtakatoshi@gmail.com wrote:
When a contentious question about the community's opinion is preventing consideration of one or more proposals, what is the best way forward, in general?
I am considering commissioning a survey of community opinion from a neutral and respected third party who has published a well-received survey of English wikipedians a few years ago.
The Foundation is not willing to help, in part because, "Reaching consensus on what wording to use, the quality of the results, and how to interpret the results will be very challenging and take significant amount of time." I would argue that not doing such a survey, or relying on opt-in methods like RFCs, are both worse than obtaining a respected third party to perform a straw poll of recent editors with an established history of contributions composed of a few unambiguous opinion questions.
If I did this, would anyone object to a gofundme intended to recover the cost of commissioning the survey on a voluntary basis?
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Hi Rogol,
A pattern seems to be developing, suggesting that you grab any opportunity to question or attack the Wikimedia Foundation. I don't see any foundation for your accusation, nor do I see a relevance for it in this thread.
This thread was pretty straightforward about a proposal/question, and some follow-up questions about that. Could we please stick to that, and not get diverted in such unconstructive manner? This would, at least by me, be very much appreciated. Thank you.
Lodewijk
2017-02-14 22:11 GMT+01:00 Rogol Domedonfors domedonfors@gmail.com:
Nathan,
These are indeed excellent questions which should be asked before starting any survey. I wish I could be confident that it is universal practice for the Foundation to undertake this exercise before each of the rather numerous surveys they make of the community, and always able to view, as transparency would require, the documentation of these issues before and after every one of those surveys.
"Rogol"
On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 1:03 AM, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
What would your intended use of the results of such a survey be? How do
you
think the community, or any group of people, should interpret, value and react to the results?
On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 7:59 PM, Bill Takatoshi <billtakatoshi@gmail.com
wrote:
When a contentious question about the community's opinion is preventing consideration of one or more proposals, what is the best way forward, in general?
I am considering commissioning a survey of community opinion from a neutral and respected third party who has published a well-received survey of English wikipedians a few years ago.
The Foundation is not willing to help, in part because, "Reaching consensus on what wording to use, the quality of the results, and how to interpret the results will be very challenging and take significant amount of time." I would argue that not doing such a survey, or relying on opt-in methods like RFCs, are both worse than obtaining a respected third party to perform a straw poll of recent editors with an established history of contributions composed of a few unambiguous opinion questions.
If I did this, would anyone object to a gofundme intended to recover the cost of commissioning the survey on a voluntary basis?
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