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Message: 3 Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:56:22 +0100 (BST) From: Patricia Rodrigues snooze210904@yahoo.se Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] A question for the Wikimania jury To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: 239732.46585.qm@web27411.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
I'm sorry to start the e-mail like this, but... this is getting on my nerves.
pt.wikipedia and es.wikipedia are two of the biggest Wikimedia projects. en.wikipedia is edited by people from all over the world, predictably also by people from South America. Guess what: South America is Portuguese- and Spanish-speaking (respectively Brazil and *the rest of the whole continent*). According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_American there's more than 370 million people living in the continent.
Can we stop being Euro- and North American-centric in what concerns Wikimanias and actually realize that there is a big probability that Wikimania will *eventually* visit all continents and we all get to go there?
Is this going to be another thread about "how bad it is that people from Europe and North America can't easily access [insert place here that displeases europeans and north americans]"?
Congratulations to the winning bid, I hope to be able to go and see lots of my fellow editor colleagues. Even if that means stopping moaning about the fact I live in Sweden.
Patr?cia
The point is that its simple. The jury needs to stop picking the places that will generate headlines. Its not about Europe and North America but of the 370 million people living in S. America, I doubt every one of them contribute to a WMF project.
These places, Egypt, Argentina were IMHO picked to glisten and shine...aka bells and whistles. We pick this place because it makes the biggest statement. WMF is not about making statements. Its goal is not to be political. It is to celebrate the work that Wikimedians do. And to hold this in places thats dangerous and has severe rights violations (Egypt) Or in a city, where I would love to visit but cannot because I don't have the luxury of being rich or better off.
I mean being realistic, does the jury even take into consideration the amount of money it will cost to travel to these places for the people who will actually make an effort to attend? I am not trying to be biased but fair and logical. Stop using Wikimania as a political statement or to use it to make headlines. This is supposed to be a celebration, not an publicity contest.
Jason Safoutin (DragonFire1024)
On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Jason Safoutin jason.safoutin@wikinewsie.org wrote:
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I'm sorry to start the e-mail like this, but... this is getting on my nerves.
pt.wikipedia and es.wikipedia are two of the biggest Wikimedia projects. en.wikipedia is edited by people from all over the world, predictably also by people from South America. Guess what: South America is Portuguese- and Spanish-speaking (respectively Brazil and *the rest of the whole continent*). According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_American there's more than 370 million people living in the continent.
Can we stop being Euro- and North American-centric in what concerns Wikimanias and actually realize that there is a big probability that Wikimania will *eventually* visit all continents and we all get to go there?
Is this going to be another thread about "how bad it is that people from Europe and North America can't easily access [insert place here that displeases europeans and north americans]"?
Congratulations to the winning bid, I hope to be able to go and see lots of my fellow editor colleagues. Even if that means stopping moaning about the fact I live in Sweden.
Patr?cia
The point is that its simple. The jury needs to stop picking the places that will generate headlines. Its not about Europe and North America but of the 370 million people living in S. America, I doubt every one of them contribute to a WMF project.
No one said they did... and not all of the people in Europe and North American contirbute to a WMF project either.
These places, Egypt, Argentina were IMHO picked to glisten and shine...aka bells and whistles. We pick this place because it makes the biggest statement. WMF is not about making statements. Its goal is not to be political. It is to celebrate the work that Wikimedians do. And to hold this in places thats dangerous and has severe rights violations (Egypt) Or in a city, where I would love to visit but cannot because I don't have the luxury of being rich or better off.
I am not going to respond to these comments because the issue has already been beaten to death, I doubt anything would change your mind.
I mean being realistic, does the jury even take into consideration the amount of money it will cost to travel to these places for the people who will actually make an effort to attend?
Seriously, read the bidding pages before you comment on the reasonings behind why a certain location was chosen. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2009/Official_requirements_for_bidding_cities http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2009/Judging_criteria
I am not trying to be biased but fair and logical. Stop using Wikimania as a political statement or to use it to make headlines. This is supposed to be a celebration, not an publicity contest.
No one is using it as such... and how could this be used to make headlines? Were there even any newspaper articles about it? I don't recall seeing any...
Jason Safoutin (DragonFire1024)
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