Hi everyone,
Yesterday, the 2030 Brand Movement Project presented the unified concept that will guide the upcoming branding proposals. Thanks to the 224 attendees who watched the presentation live! Participants brought a great stream of comments and questions (averaging 8 per minute!) that helped clarify important points.
The unified concept, “interconnection”, was arrived at after many community workshops, exercises, and conversations. “Interconnection” distills the 23 distinct concepts generated in workshops into a single word that links together the insights and definitions from the participants, and at the same time adds more meaning to the answer to the question who are we? This concept will not be a public or visible part of branding, but rather a guiding idea.
Take a look at the video explaining interconnection as a unified concept [1].
You can watch the full presentation video, together with the lively discussion that accompanied it [2]. Most of the questions were answered during the presentation (including questions about the project scope, the upcoming naming convention proposals, and the RfC), but there wasn't enough time to answer them all. Questions are being compiled on the Brand Network talk page on Meta [3].
The team will be hosting a follow-up office hour next week to answer the rest of the questions. Participation details will be shared on the Brand Network talk page. The session will be recorded and shared, and answers will be covered on the project pages. If you have a different question you’d like to ask, feel free to add it to the page or bring it to the office hour.
PS: As soon as these videos are ready for Commons we will upload them there, and we will notify about this on the Brand Network talk page as well.
Thanks,
Samir & the Brand Project team
[1] https://brandingwikipedia.org/2020/04/16/our-unified-concept-interconnection...
[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS72O6Si94Q
[3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brand_Network#Unified_concept:_Intercon...
Samir Elsharbaty (he/him)
Community Brand and Marketing coordinator
Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/
Have now watched "interconnection". It did not seem to say anything tangible apart from stuff like you find 'interconnection in nature' in the 2 minutes. It was produced to a good standard.
Sorry, it was not encouraging. The question remains of how much this is costing the movement in WMF funding and valuable Wikimedia community time without any clear outcomes being defined that the Wikimedia community wants or could use to benefit the core value of adding to the sum of human knowledge. Why the "rebranding" project continues at this time remains an enigma.
We have gone ahead and added the video to Commons. If superseded it will remain useful as a snapshot as of 16 April. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Our_unified_concept_interconnection....
Thanks, Fae
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 at 09:57, Samir Elsharbaty selsharbaty@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi everyone,
Yesterday, the 2030 Brand Movement Project presented the unified concept that will guide the upcoming branding proposals. Thanks to the 224 attendees who watched the presentation live! Participants brought a great stream of comments and questions (averaging 8 per minute!) that helped clarify important points.
The unified concept, “interconnection”, was arrived at after many community workshops, exercises, and conversations. “Interconnection” distills the 23 distinct concepts generated in workshops into a single word that links together the insights and definitions from the participants, and at the same time adds more meaning to the answer to the question who are we? This concept will not be a public or visible part of branding, but rather a guiding idea.
Take a look at the video explaining interconnection as a unified concept [1].
You can watch the full presentation video, together with the lively discussion that accompanied it [2]. Most of the questions were answered during the presentation (including questions about the project scope, the upcoming naming convention proposals, and the RfC), but there wasn't enough time to answer them all. Questions are being compiled on the Brand Network talk page on Meta [3].
The team will be hosting a follow-up office hour next week to answer the rest of the questions. Participation details will be shared on the Brand Network talk page. The session will be recorded and shared, and answers will be covered on the project pages. If you have a different question you’d like to ask, feel free to add it to the page or bring it to the office hour.
PS: As soon as these videos are ready for Commons we will upload them there, and we will notify about this on the Brand Network talk page as well.
Thanks,
Samir & the Brand Project team
[1] https://brandingwikipedia.org/2020/04/16/our-unified-concept-interconnection...
[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS72O6Si94Q
[3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brand_Network#Unified_concept:_Intercon...
Samir Elsharbaty (he/him)
Community Brand and Marketing coordinator
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I’m in agreement with Fæ here.
I just checked and wikipedia.org’s Alexa ranking is 13. That’s very different from the 5 last time I checked, but it could be due to a number of temporary factors. If there is evidence of a marked decrease in traffic independent of the Coronavirus and other issues, I understand seeking a branding change and trying to engage more readers.
However, that does not justify feeding marketing nonsense to the Wikimedia community.
I’m currently watching the presentation, and just read/watched the bits on Interconnection at the branding website.
From the text:
“The concept is a creative tool that will inform the naming convention and design system. Through input, collaboration and validation with the community the concept will guide us in a direction that reflects who we are.”
This is patently unintelligible, vague beyond belief, and utterly useless. The only insight this sentence offers a reader on what “Interconnection” is that it’s a meaningless buzzword marketing departments of tech firms like to fabricate. Please remember that this is the Wikimedia community, and that stuff like this isn’t appreciated. We’re here to build helpful projects for billions of readers, and if you don’t have something remotely useful to say, please don’t take people’s attention away from editing with it.
I’ve been following this project for months and have yet to find a single useful statement about this project, and the aim seems to be changing every other day.
For example, on the 9th of this month, in response to a comment I wrote: “Now, Wikipedia is envisioned as a concept, among many concepts and criteria, that are informing the thinking around naming and design proposals.”
Similarly vague. I can’t support a project that is nothing other than a collection of marketing speak and invented buzzwords with no tangible information on it.
Regards, Vermont
On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 09:06 Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
Have now watched "interconnection". It did not seem to say anything tangible apart from stuff like you find 'interconnection in nature' in the 2 minutes. It was produced to a good standard.
Sorry, it was not encouraging. The question remains of how much this is costing the movement in WMF funding and valuable Wikimedia community time without any clear outcomes being defined that the Wikimedia community wants or could use to benefit the core value of adding to the sum of human knowledge. Why the "rebranding" project continues at this time remains an enigma.
We have gone ahead and added the video to Commons. If superseded it will remain useful as a snapshot as of 16 April.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Our_unified_concept_interconnection....
Thanks, Fae
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 at 09:57, Samir Elsharbaty selsharbaty@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi everyone,
Yesterday, the 2030 Brand Movement Project presented the unified concept that will guide the upcoming branding proposals. Thanks to the 224 attendees who watched the presentation live! Participants brought a great stream of comments and questions (averaging 8 per minute!) that helped clarify important points.
The unified concept, “interconnection”, was arrived at after many
community
workshops, exercises, and conversations. “Interconnection” distills the
23
distinct concepts generated in workshops into a single word that links together the insights and definitions from the participants, and at the same time adds more meaning to the answer to the question who are we?
This
concept will not be a public or visible part of branding, but rather a guiding idea.
Take a look at the video explaining interconnection as a unified concept [1].
You can watch the full presentation video, together with the lively discussion that accompanied it [2]. Most of the questions were answered during the presentation (including questions about the project scope, the upcoming naming convention proposals, and the RfC), but there wasn't
enough
time to answer them all. Questions are being compiled on the Brand
Network
talk page on Meta [3].
The team will be hosting a follow-up office hour next week to answer the rest of the questions. Participation details will be shared on the Brand Network talk page. The session will be recorded and shared, and answers will be covered on the project pages. If you have a different question you’d like to ask, feel free to add it to the page or bring it to the office hour.
PS: As soon as these videos are ready for Commons we will upload them there, and we will notify about this on the Brand Network talk page as
well.
Thanks,
Samir & the Brand Project team
[1]
https://brandingwikipedia.org/2020/04/16/our-unified-concept-interconnection...
[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS72O6Si94Q
[3]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brand_Network#Unified_concept:_Intercon...
Samir Elsharbaty (he/him)
Community Brand and Marketing coordinator
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I agree. It did not seem to say anything much. Cheers, Peter
-----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Fæ Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 3:06 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Summary of the Brand Project presentation
Have now watched "interconnection". It did not seem to say anything tangible apart from stuff like you find 'interconnection in nature' in the 2 minutes. It was produced to a good standard.
Sorry, it was not encouraging. The question remains of how much this is costing the movement in WMF funding and valuable Wikimedia community time without any clear outcomes being defined that the Wikimedia community wants or could use to benefit the core value of adding to the sum of human knowledge. Why the "rebranding" project continues at this time remains an enigma.
We have gone ahead and added the video to Commons. If superseded it will remain useful as a snapshot as of 16 April. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Our_unified_concept_interconnection....
Thanks, Fae
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 at 09:57, Samir Elsharbaty selsharbaty@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi everyone,
Yesterday, the 2030 Brand Movement Project presented the unified concept that will guide the upcoming branding proposals. Thanks to the 224 attendees who watched the presentation live! Participants brought a great stream of comments and questions (averaging 8 per minute!) that helped clarify important points.
The unified concept, “interconnection”, was arrived at after many community workshops, exercises, and conversations. “Interconnection” distills the 23 distinct concepts generated in workshops into a single word that links together the insights and definitions from the participants, and at the same time adds more meaning to the answer to the question who are we? This concept will not be a public or visible part of branding, but rather a guiding idea.
Take a look at the video explaining interconnection as a unified concept [1].
You can watch the full presentation video, together with the lively discussion that accompanied it [2]. Most of the questions were answered during the presentation (including questions about the project scope, the upcoming naming convention proposals, and the RfC), but there wasn't enough time to answer them all. Questions are being compiled on the Brand Network talk page on Meta [3].
The team will be hosting a follow-up office hour next week to answer the rest of the questions. Participation details will be shared on the Brand Network talk page. The session will be recorded and shared, and answers will be covered on the project pages. If you have a different question you’d like to ask, feel free to add it to the page or bring it to the office hour.
PS: As soon as these videos are ready for Commons we will upload them there, and we will notify about this on the Brand Network talk page as well.
Thanks,
Samir & the Brand Project team
[1] https://brandingwikipedia.org/2020/04/16/our-unified-concept-interconnection...
[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS72O6Si94Q
[3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brand_Network#Unified_concept:_Intercon...
Samir Elsharbaty (he/him)
Community Brand and Marketing coordinator
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I have a background in a telecom supplier, and we were proud to talk of us "connecting people" and with 5G (where things also gets connected) "interconenctivity" would be a great brand concept for that company.
But for Wikimedia I have never felt this as a relevant brandconcept. To "share and spread knowledge"is the core word as far as I see it and have been all the time.
Anders
Den 2020-04-18 kl. 18:44, skrev Peter Southwood:
I agree. It did not seem to say anything much. Cheers, Peter
-----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Fæ Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 3:06 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Summary of the Brand Project presentation
Have now watched "interconnection". It did not seem to say anything tangible apart from stuff like you find 'interconnection in nature' in the 2 minutes. It was produced to a good standard.
Sorry, it was not encouraging. The question remains of how much this is costing the movement in WMF funding and valuable Wikimedia community time without any clear outcomes being defined that the Wikimedia community wants or could use to benefit the core value of adding to the sum of human knowledge. Why the "rebranding" project continues at this time remains an enigma.
We have gone ahead and added the video to Commons. If superseded it will remain useful as a snapshot as of 16 April. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Our_unified_concept_interconnection....
Thanks, Fae
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 at 09:57, Samir Elsharbaty selsharbaty@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi everyone,
Yesterday, the 2030 Brand Movement Project presented the unified concept that will guide the upcoming branding proposals. Thanks to the 224 attendees who watched the presentation live! Participants brought a great stream of comments and questions (averaging 8 per minute!) that helped clarify important points.
The unified concept, “interconnection”, was arrived at after many community workshops, exercises, and conversations. “Interconnection” distills the 23 distinct concepts generated in workshops into a single word that links together the insights and definitions from the participants, and at the same time adds more meaning to the answer to the question who are we? This concept will not be a public or visible part of branding, but rather a guiding idea.
Take a look at the video explaining interconnection as a unified concept [1].
You can watch the full presentation video, together with the lively discussion that accompanied it [2]. Most of the questions were answered during the presentation (including questions about the project scope, the upcoming naming convention proposals, and the RfC), but there wasn't enough time to answer them all. Questions are being compiled on the Brand Network talk page on Meta [3].
The team will be hosting a follow-up office hour next week to answer the rest of the questions. Participation details will be shared on the Brand Network talk page. The session will be recorded and shared, and answers will be covered on the project pages. If you have a different question you’d like to ask, feel free to add it to the page or bring it to the office hour.
PS: As soon as these videos are ready for Commons we will upload them there, and we will notify about this on the Brand Network talk page as well.
Thanks,
Samir & the Brand Project team
[1] https://brandingwikipedia.org/2020/04/16/our-unified-concept-interconnection...
[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS72O6Si94Q
[3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brand_Network#Unified_concept:_Intercon...
Samir Elsharbaty (he/him)
Community Brand and Marketing coordinator
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As it appears my earlier email was not approved by the moderators:
I'm in agreement with Fæ on this.
The text and videos given on the subject of the new "interconnection" focus is all extremely vague. I don't see how this is a change from previous branding, or how the idea of "interconnection" will change anything. Specifically in regard to the video, I was surprised by the vagueness. Obviously, everything is connected. We are all humans with a majority of similar characteristics and a high potential for similar experiences. Putting together a few videos of people from different cultures collaborating and some videos of nature doesn't make a branding strategy.
I am very happy that, in the presentation, a timeline was addressed and that there will be ample time for feedback on the proposed naming conventions. I am looking forward to that; this project has been quite vague for a while, and I hope there's some great ideas we can, as a community, discuss.
Best regards, Chris Gates (User:Vermont)
On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 1:44 PM Anders Wennersten mail@anderswennersten.se wrote:
I have a background in a telecom supplier, and we were proud to talk of us "connecting people" and with 5G (where things also gets connected) "interconenctivity" would be a great brand concept for that company.
But for Wikimedia I have never felt this as a relevant brandconcept. To "share and spread knowledge"is the core word as far as I see it and have been all the time.
Anders
Den 2020-04-18 kl. 18:44, skrev Peter Southwood:
I agree. It did not seem to say anything much. Cheers, Peter
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Behalf Of Fæ
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 3:06 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Summary of the Brand Project presentation
Have now watched "interconnection". It did not seem to say anything tangible apart from stuff like you find 'interconnection in nature' in the 2 minutes. It was produced to a good standard.
Sorry, it was not encouraging. The question remains of how much this is costing the movement in WMF funding and valuable Wikimedia community time without any clear outcomes being defined that the Wikimedia community wants or could use to benefit the core value of adding to the sum of human knowledge. Why the "rebranding" project continues at this time remains an enigma.
We have gone ahead and added the video to Commons. If superseded it will remain useful as a snapshot as of 16 April.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Our_unified_concept_interconnection....
Thanks, Fae
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 at 09:57, Samir Elsharbaty selsharbaty@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi everyone,
Yesterday, the 2030 Brand Movement Project presented the unified concept that will guide the upcoming branding proposals. Thanks to the 224 attendees who watched the presentation live! Participants brought a
great
stream of comments and questions (averaging 8 per minute!) that helped clarify important points.
The unified concept, “interconnection”, was arrived at after many
community
workshops, exercises, and conversations. “Interconnection” distills the
23
distinct concepts generated in workshops into a single word that links together the insights and definitions from the participants, and at the same time adds more meaning to the answer to the question who are we?
This
concept will not be a public or visible part of branding, but rather a guiding idea.
Take a look at the video explaining interconnection as a unified concept [1].
You can watch the full presentation video, together with the lively discussion that accompanied it [2]. Most of the questions were answered during the presentation (including questions about the project scope,
the
upcoming naming convention proposals, and the RfC), but there wasn't
enough
time to answer them all. Questions are being compiled on the Brand
Network
talk page on Meta [3].
The team will be hosting a follow-up office hour next week to answer the rest of the questions. Participation details will be shared on the Brand Network talk page. The session will be recorded and shared, and answers will be covered on the project pages. If you have a different question you’d like to ask, feel free to add it to the page or bring it to the office hour.
PS: As soon as these videos are ready for Commons we will upload them there, and we will notify about this on the Brand Network talk page as
well.
Thanks,
Samir & the Brand Project team
[1]
https://brandingwikipedia.org/2020/04/16/our-unified-concept-interconnection...
[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS72O6Si94Q
[3]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brand_Network#Unified_concept:_Intercon...
Samir Elsharbaty (he/him)
Community Brand and Marketing coordinator
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I can't believe I'm saying this but I agree with Fæ as well.
Having been on the inside at some companies that underwent controversial rebrands, I can see how this might be a very early stage thing to help guide and shape thinking about how to approach a rebrand by unifying around a high level concept. I can see how in the name of transparency the team might be sharing very early stage work like that with the community, but if that's truly what it is (early exploratory thinking, not finished work) it would probably help to explain that this is not anywhere close to finalized work. People who don't do brand design tend to have little patience or interest in hand-wavy concepts without a concrete expression, Wikipedians maybe least of all.
On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 2:30 AM Chris Gates via Wikimedia-l < wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
As it appears my earlier email was not approved by the moderators:
I'm in agreement with Fæ on this.
The text and videos given on the subject of the new "interconnection" focus is all extremely vague. I don't see how this is a change from previous branding, or how the idea of "interconnection" will change anything. Specifically in regard to the video, I was surprised by the vagueness. Obviously, everything is connected. We are all humans with a majority of similar characteristics and a high potential for similar experiences. Putting together a few videos of people from different cultures collaborating and some videos of nature doesn't make a branding strategy.
I am very happy that, in the presentation, a timeline was addressed and that there will be ample time for feedback on the proposed naming conventions. I am looking forward to that; this project has been quite vague for a while, and I hope there's some great ideas we can, as a community, discuss.
Best regards, Chris Gates (User:Vermont)
On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 1:44 PM Anders Wennersten < mail@anderswennersten.se> wrote:
I have a background in a telecom supplier, and we were proud to talk of us "connecting people" and with 5G (where things also gets connected) "interconenctivity" would be a great brand concept for that company.
But for Wikimedia I have never felt this as a relevant brandconcept. To "share and spread knowledge"is the core word as far as I see it and have been all the time.
Anders
Den 2020-04-18 kl. 18:44, skrev Peter Southwood:
I agree. It did not seem to say anything much. Cheers, Peter
-----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On
Behalf Of Fæ
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 3:06 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Summary of the Brand Project presentation
Have now watched "interconnection". It did not seem to say anything tangible apart from stuff like you find 'interconnection in nature' in the 2 minutes. It was produced to a good standard.
Sorry, it was not encouraging. The question remains of how much this is costing the movement in WMF funding and valuable Wikimedia community time without any clear outcomes being defined that the Wikimedia community wants or could use to benefit the core value of adding to the sum of human knowledge. Why the "rebranding" project continues at this time remains an enigma.
We have gone ahead and added the video to Commons. If superseded it will remain useful as a snapshot as of 16 April.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Our_unified_concept_interconnection....
Thanks, Fae
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 at 09:57, Samir Elsharbaty selsharbaty@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi everyone,
Yesterday, the 2030 Brand Movement Project presented the unified
concept
that will guide the upcoming branding proposals. Thanks to the 224 attendees who watched the presentation live! Participants brought a
great
stream of comments and questions (averaging 8 per minute!) that helped clarify important points.
The unified concept, “interconnection”, was arrived at after many
community
workshops, exercises, and conversations. “Interconnection” distills
the
23
distinct concepts generated in workshops into a single word that links together the insights and definitions from the participants, and at
the
same time adds more meaning to the answer to the question who are we?
This
concept will not be a public or visible part of branding, but rather a guiding idea.
Take a look at the video explaining interconnection as a unified
concept
[1].
You can watch the full presentation video, together with the lively discussion that accompanied it [2]. Most of the questions were
answered
during the presentation (including questions about the project scope,
the
upcoming naming convention proposals, and the RfC), but there wasn't
enough
time to answer them all. Questions are being compiled on the Brand
Network
talk page on Meta [3].
The team will be hosting a follow-up office hour next week to answer
the
rest of the questions. Participation details will be shared on the
Brand
Network talk page. The session will be recorded and shared, and
answers
will be covered on the project pages. If you have a different question you’d like to ask, feel free to add it to the page or bring it to the office hour.
PS: As soon as these videos are ready for Commons we will upload them there, and we will notify about this on the Brand Network talk page as
well.
Thanks,
Samir & the Brand Project team
[1]
https://brandingwikipedia.org/2020/04/16/our-unified-concept-interconnection...
[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS72O6Si94Q
[3]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brand_Network#Unified_concept:_Intercon...
Samir Elsharbaty (he/him)
Community Brand and Marketing coordinator
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I'd like to stress - I can see a case for renaming it all as "Wikipedia". I could even make that case!
I'm not inclined to advocate such a change myself - and I'm not convinced that branding is a problem we have - but it's not an unreasonable *position*.
But pre-deciding the outcome, then feeding the community nonsense in this manner, is bad business, and can't possibly go well.
- d.
On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 at 16:56, Steven Walling steven.walling@gmail.com wrote:
I can't believe I'm saying this but I agree with Fæ as well.
Having been on the inside at some companies that underwent controversial rebrands, I can see how this might be a very early stage thing to help guide and shape thinking about how to approach a rebrand by unifying around a high level concept. I can see how in the name of transparency the team might be sharing very early stage work like that with the community, but if that's truly what it is (early exploratory thinking, not finished work) it would probably help to explain that this is not anywhere close to finalized work. People who don't do brand design tend to have little patience or interest in hand-wavy concepts without a concrete expression, Wikipedians maybe least of all.
On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 2:30 AM Chris Gates via Wikimedia-l < wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
As it appears my earlier email was not approved by the moderators:
I'm in agreement with Fæ on this.
The text and videos given on the subject of the new "interconnection" focus is all extremely vague. I don't see how this is a change from previous branding, or how the idea of "interconnection" will change anything. Specifically in regard to the video, I was surprised by the vagueness. Obviously, everything is connected. We are all humans with a majority of similar characteristics and a high potential for similar experiences. Putting together a few videos of people from different cultures collaborating and some videos of nature doesn't make a branding strategy.
I am very happy that, in the presentation, a timeline was addressed and that there will be ample time for feedback on the proposed naming conventions. I am looking forward to that; this project has been quite vague for a while, and I hope there's some great ideas we can, as a community, discuss.
Best regards, Chris Gates (User:Vermont)
On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 1:44 PM Anders Wennersten < mail@anderswennersten.se> wrote:
I have a background in a telecom supplier, and we were proud to talk of us "connecting people" and with 5G (where things also gets connected) "interconenctivity" would be a great brand concept for that company.
But for Wikimedia I have never felt this as a relevant brandconcept. To "share and spread knowledge"is the core word as far as I see it and have been all the time.
Anders
Den 2020-04-18 kl. 18:44, skrev Peter Southwood:
I agree. It did not seem to say anything much. Cheers, Peter
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Have now watched "interconnection". It did not seem to say anything tangible apart from stuff like you find 'interconnection in nature' in the 2 minutes. It was produced to a good standard.
Sorry, it was not encouraging. The question remains of how much this is costing the movement in WMF funding and valuable Wikimedia community time without any clear outcomes being defined that the Wikimedia community wants or could use to benefit the core value of adding to the sum of human knowledge. Why the "rebranding" project continues at this time remains an enigma.
We have gone ahead and added the video to Commons. If superseded it will remain useful as a snapshot as of 16 April.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Our_unified_concept_interconnection....
Thanks, Fae
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 at 09:57, Samir Elsharbaty selsharbaty@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi everyone,
Yesterday, the 2030 Brand Movement Project presented the unified
concept
that will guide the upcoming branding proposals. Thanks to the 224 attendees who watched the presentation live! Participants brought a
great
stream of comments and questions (averaging 8 per minute!) that helped clarify important points.
The unified concept, “interconnection”, was arrived at after many
community
workshops, exercises, and conversations. “Interconnection” distills
the
23
distinct concepts generated in workshops into a single word that links together the insights and definitions from the participants, and at
the
same time adds more meaning to the answer to the question who are we?
This
concept will not be a public or visible part of branding, but rather a guiding idea.
Take a look at the video explaining interconnection as a unified
concept
[1].
You can watch the full presentation video, together with the lively discussion that accompanied it [2]. Most of the questions were
answered
during the presentation (including questions about the project scope,
the
upcoming naming convention proposals, and the RfC), but there wasn't
enough
time to answer them all. Questions are being compiled on the Brand
Network
talk page on Meta [3].
The team will be hosting a follow-up office hour next week to answer
the
rest of the questions. Participation details will be shared on the
Brand
Network talk page. The session will be recorded and shared, and
answers
will be covered on the project pages. If you have a different question you’d like to ask, feel free to add it to the page or bring it to the office hour.
PS: As soon as these videos are ready for Commons we will upload them there, and we will notify about this on the Brand Network talk page as
well.
Thanks,
Samir & the Brand Project team
[1]
https://brandingwikipedia.org/2020/04/16/our-unified-concept-interconnection...
[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS72O6Si94Q
[3]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brand_Network#Unified_concept:_Intercon...
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Hi,
Interconnection is a six piece word for link. In the wiki world a wiki is both a page and a link.
I sincerely doubt you are going to propose to use Interconnectionpedia as the single brand.
Greetings,
Ad
Op vr 17 apr. 2020 10:57 schreef Samir Elsharbaty <selsharbaty@wikimedia.org
:
Hi everyone,
Yesterday, the 2030 Brand Movement Project presented the unified concept that will guide the upcoming branding proposals. Thanks to the 224 attendees who watched the presentation live! Participants brought a great stream of comments and questions (averaging 8 per minute!) that helped clarify important points.
The unified concept, “interconnection”, was arrived at after many community workshops, exercises, and conversations. “Interconnection” distills the 23 distinct concepts generated in workshops into a single word that links together the insights and definitions from the participants, and at the same time adds more meaning to the answer to the question who are we? This concept will not be a public or visible part of branding, but rather a guiding idea.
Take a look at the video explaining interconnection as a unified concept [1].
You can watch the full presentation video, together with the lively discussion that accompanied it [2]. Most of the questions were answered during the presentation (including questions about the project scope, the upcoming naming convention proposals, and the RfC), but there wasn't enough time to answer them all. Questions are being compiled on the Brand Network talk page on Meta [3].
The team will be hosting a follow-up office hour next week to answer the rest of the questions. Participation details will be shared on the Brand Network talk page. The session will be recorded and shared, and answers will be covered on the project pages. If you have a different question you’d like to ask, feel free to add it to the page or bring it to the office hour.
PS: As soon as these videos are ready for Commons we will upload them there, and we will notify about this on the Brand Network talk page as well.
Thanks,
Samir & the Brand Project team
[1]
https://brandingwikipedia.org/2020/04/16/our-unified-concept-interconnection...
[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS72O6Si94Q
[3]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Brand_Network#Unified_concept:_Intercon...
Samir Elsharbaty (he/him)
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