Hoi,
You know one of the values enshrined in the Wiki philosophy is the right of
departure. The good news is it does not matter if you do, we still love you
when you do good. The best way of making a point is by disproving the
sceptics. When Wikinews is capable of doing a good job, it can do it
anywhere but when all you can is complain about what others should do to
help you, do not be surprised when nothing happens. You do not have the
leverage, you should not need such leverage. In the end, the WMF is an
enabling organisation. It allows you to do your project... so make use of
that privilege.
The major problem that I have with your attitude is that it is so easy to
think that everyone in Wikinews shares your ideas.
Thanks,
GerardM
On Jan 23, 2008 10:10 PM, Jason Safoutin <jason.safoutin(a)wikinewsie.org>
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From: "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Seeking clarification
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Hoi,
I would turn it around, are the communities of the projects
communicating
with the WMF? I would argue that there is a
gaggle of people all talking
among each other making such a din that they are not heard over make so
much
noise that the WMF is not heard. I would also
argue that it is for the
people themselves to organise when and what they need, mindful of there
being a foundation that will have to approve of what they come up with,
One. At least two board members were regular helpers and contributers to
Wikinews and to Wikipedia, and probably many other project. Both of
which do not participate in the community anymore, both who, as elected
board memberes, have basically ignored the needs and or requests of
those projects. Erik is the *founder* of Wikinews...but where is he?
Worried about Kaltura and Wikieducator and Encyclopedia of life.
Wikipedia predates Wikinews. Wikipedia did news
before Wiknews existed.
Much
of the relevance of Wikipedia is in their
bringing background
information to
the news. If Wikinews cannot handle this, tough.
If it means that
Wikinews
is a project that is a failure, tough. In the end
it is a failure for
the
people who promoted the idea of Wikinews, however
I think there is
plenty of
scope for Wikinews to hack it. But the
Wikinewsies have to find their
own
way, their own niche. So please move on.
Again. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Wikinews is news. Wikipedia is not
the only WMF project and its them that needs to realize that, along with
the board/WMF, which they currently don't. It's not a matter of handling
it, its a matter of competition, which is NOT the goal of the WMF or
their projects. If anything, Wikinews should be granted a majority of
their news section...after all Wikipedia gets their own links throughout
WMF projects.
Wikinews is far from a failure. It IMHO is one of the most successful
Citizen Journalism site on the web. We have more OR Exclusive stories
than any CJ site and we also interviewed a head of state...something NO
other CJ site has come remotely close to doing. Not to mention the
handful of BIG stories WN broke. So to even incline that WN is a failure
is just 100% wrong.
Hard to move on, when the scope of WMF's *current* view is what's best
for only WP, WP, WP....I think it's time they move on, and remember they
have other projects.
Again, it is YOU that has to make things work. At
best the WMF provides
you
with a framework. It is you, the editor, the
community that have to make
things work. The WMF provides the hammer a nail, it is you that has to
hit
the nail on the head.
Then maybe the board and such should not get in the habit of making
policies or resolutions for projects, especially when that item does not
conform to the needs and goals of a project. Like the image resolution
for example. I think WN and other smaller projects have hit the nail on
the head, and have driven it into the wood...I just think those projects
are being neglected by their parents.
In conclusion, I could not disagree with you
more.
Thanks,
GerardM
Sometimes we have to agree to disagree.
Jason Safoutin (DragonFire1024)
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