Hi,
I think having alternating sitenotices (between the licensing vote and the Wikimania CFP/scholarships) is confusing for some people who expect to see a link there for voting. See the comments at http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/13967 for example.
Could we please have both at once, or if not, just the licensing one? I think the licensing vote is important enough that everyone should be given the best possible opportunity to participate.
thanks, Brianna
Brianna Laugher wrote:
Hi,
I think having alternating sitenotices (between the licensing vote and the Wikimania CFP/scholarships) is confusing for some people who expect to see a link there for voting. See the comments at http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/13967 for example.
Could we please have both at once, or if not, just the licensing one? I think the licensing vote is important enough that everyone should be given the best possible opportunity to participate.
I agree, and was momentarily thrown off by the mixed notices myself. Since watchlists are often used for other broad notifications, could we get Wikimania put on there so that word can still get out while we run the licensing vote?
--Michael Snow
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Michael Snow wikipedia@verizon.net wrote:
Since watchlists are often used for other broad notifications, could we get Wikimania put on there so that word can still get out while we run the licensing vote?
No. Unfortunately, there is no way to make a global watchlist notice. (Tomek: feature request? ;-))
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote:
No. Unfortunately, there is no way to make a global watchlist notice.
That sounded overly harsh. :-) Yes, we technically *could*, but that would be per wiki. I'm not sure how the scholarships committee would feel about that. Though, I definitely agree that this is a little confusing to the people viewing the notices.
Casey Brown wrote:
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote:
No. Unfortunately, there is no way to make a global watchlist notice.
That sounded overly harsh. :-) Yes, we technically *could*, but that would be per wiki.
That's okay, my previous reply was a little snarky itself. I don't know that we have a perfect solution, but I think the mixed messages are worth fixing.
--Michael Snow
2009/4/14 Michael Snow wikipedia@verizon.net:
That's okay, my previous reply was a little snarky itself. I don't know that we have a perfect solution, but I think the mixed messages are worth fixing.
Agreed, and this is an issue that will occur again when we have overlapping important announcements. My intuitive take is that stacking messages, or moving them into different places, aren't scalable solutions. It might be desirable to have a minimal "tab" interface to switch between multiple active notices. We'll kick around some ideas, but if anyone wants to create mock-ups or make suggestions, please do :-)
Erik
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Erik Moeller erik@wikimedia.org wrote:
2009/4/14 Michael Snow wikipedia@verizon.net:
That's okay, my previous reply was a little snarky itself. I don't know that we have a perfect solution, but I think the mixed messages are worth fixing.
Agreed, and this is an issue that will occur again when we have overlapping important announcements. My intuitive take is that stacking messages, or moving them into different places, aren't scalable solutions. It might be desirable to have a minimal "tab" interface to switch between multiple active notices. We'll kick around some ideas, but if anyone wants to create mock-ups or make suggestions, please do :-)
There is also a related issue that dismissing ANY central notice results in hiding all central notices for 7 days. I think having multiple simultaneous notices would be less of a problem if one could dismiss or collapse them individually.
As it is, there are people who have never seen the licensing notification because they closed the Wikimania box before the licensing message was posted.
-Robert Rohde
Robert Rohde wrote:
There is also a related issue that dismissing ANY central notice results in hiding all central notices for 7 days. I think having multiple simultaneous notices would be less of a problem if one could dismiss or collapse them individually.
As it is, there are people who have never seen the licensing notification because they closed the Wikimania box before the licensing message was posted.
We do have the ability to reset that, or so I seem to recall from an earlier use for the fundraiser. I would think it was worthwhile to do in this circumstance, with apologies to those who have dismissed the notice after voting already.
--Michael Snow
So far as I know, this is solved by givine each centralnotice a different id (which is how they're identified to be hidden - or at least that was the case in the past). Should be easy to do.
-Mike
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 09:56 -0700, Robert Rohde wrote:
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Erik Moeller erik@wikimedia.org wrote:
2009/4/14 Michael Snow wikipedia@verizon.net:
That's okay, my previous reply was a little snarky itself. I don't know that we have a perfect solution, but I think the mixed messages are worth fixing.
Agreed, and this is an issue that will occur again when we have overlapping important announcements. My intuitive take is that stacking messages, or moving them into different places, aren't scalable solutions. It might be desirable to have a minimal "tab" interface to switch between multiple active notices. We'll kick around some ideas, but if anyone wants to create mock-ups or make suggestions, please do :-)
There is also a related issue that dismissing ANY central notice results in hiding all central notices for 7 days. I think having multiple simultaneous notices would be less of a problem if one could dismiss or collapse them individually.
As it is, there are people who have never seen the licensing notification because they closed the Wikimania box before the licensing message was posted.
-Robert Rohde
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Mike.lifeguard mikelifeguard@fastmail.fm wrote:
So far as I know, this is solved by givine each centralnotice a different id (which is how they're identified to be hidden - or at least that was the case in the past). Should be easy to do.
In the current implementation, hiding central notices is a binary state (either all hidden or all shown). There is no ID. Such an ID exists in the notices used locally at places like enwiki, but not the global notices.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/centralnotice/wikimedia/en/centralnotice.js?207x...
-Robert
I don't think that's true... The id is centralNotice. Hiding that id with css works if you add it to your monobook. Both the centralnotices use that id (so far as I know), so making them use different ones would then allow you to hide one but not the other, alternate them etc etc.
-Mike
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 10:49 -0700, Robert Rohde wrote:
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Mike.lifeguard mikelifeguard@fastmail.fm wrote:
So far as I know, this is solved by givine each centralnotice a different id (which is how they're identified to be hidden - or at least that was the case in the past). Should be easy to do.
In the current implementation, hiding central notices is a binary state (either all hidden or all shown). There is no ID. Such an ID exists in the notices used locally at places like enwiki, but not the global notices.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/centralnotice/wikimedia/en/centralnotice.js?207x...
-Robert
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Mike.lifeguard mikelifeguard@fastmail.fm wrote:
I don't think that's true... The id is centralNotice. Hiding that id with css works if you add it to your monobook. Both the centralnotices use that id (so far as I know), so making them use different ones would then allow you to hide one but not the other, alternate them etc etc.
We are talking about the [hide] button built into the central notices themselves.
Yes one could do other things with personal CSS/JS but the behavior of the normal [hide] button should be modified to hide only the current notice, and not hide all presently active central notices. In the prior email I was saying there is no notice specific ID. Yes, all notices use id="centralNotice", but changing that to a notice specific ID will break other things.
The link I included in the last email shows the JS code for central notices, have a look for yourself.
Obviously there are multiple possible implementations, but the existing one ought to be improved.
-Robert
2009/4/15 Erik Moeller erik@wikimedia.org:
2009/4/14 Michael Snow wikipedia@verizon.net:
That's okay, my previous reply was a little snarky itself. I don't know that we have a perfect solution, but I think the mixed messages are worth fixing.
Agreed, and this is an issue that will occur again when we have overlapping important announcements. My intuitive take is that stacking messages, or moving them into different places, aren't scalable solutions. It might be desirable to have a minimal "tab" interface to switch between multiple active notices. We'll kick around some ideas, but if anyone wants to create mock-ups or make suggestions, please do :-)
Tabs are for stuff you care about. It doesn't make sense to use them for unbidden "notices".
The notices could be briefer, I mean they could be "Licensing update - vote" and "Wikimania scholarships - apply". Then combining them would not be so bad.
A long term resolution is a good idea, but to resolve the current problem, could we please at least combine the messages for the term of the licensing vote?
Brianna
2009/4/14 Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com:
Tabs are for stuff you care about. It doesn't make sense to use them for unbidden "notices".
Fair enough; Brion suggested that we should think about a message queue type approach for this.
A long term resolution is a good idea, but to resolve the current problem, could we please at least combine the messages for the term of the licensing vote?
Yeah, we'll definitely look into a short-term fix like that. Might still take a few days to get it sorted out.
Casey Brown wrote:
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Michael Snow wikipedia@verizon.net wrote:
Since watchlists are often used for other broad notifications, could we get Wikimania put on there so that word can still get out while we run the licensing vote?
No. Unfortunately, there is no way to make a global watchlist notice.
You mean yes, but it would be a little more work.
--Michael Snow
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
Could we please have both at once
We now have a combined notice running. Hopefully, this is a better way of doing it (even though it's not as pretty).
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 13:30, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
Could we please have both at once
We now have a combined notice running. Hopefully, this is a better way of doing it (even though it's not as pretty).
I just hope you guys settle down on something soon. I'm tired of playing whack-a-mole with the sitenotices.
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Mark Wagner carnildo@gmail.com wrote:
I just hope you guys settle down on something soon. I'm tired of playing whack-a-mole with the sitenotices.
Hmm? This is the only time we changed it. :-) The cookies expire after a week, if you're referring to the notices re-appearing.
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 18:40, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Mark Wagner carnildo@gmail.com wrote:
I just hope you guys settle down on something soon. I'm tired of playing whack-a-mole with the sitenotices.
Hmm? This is the only time we changed it. :-) The cookies expire after a week, if you're referring to the notices re-appearing.
Since I regularly access Wikipedia from four different computers, that would explain why I'm swatting a sitenotice every day or two.
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Mark Wagner carnildo@gmail.com wrote:
Since I regularly access Wikipedia from four different computers, that would explain why I'm swatting a sitenotice every day or two.
You can disable it in your .css if you want to. Adding "#centralNotice {display:none !important;}" to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Mypage/monobook.css should work.
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 6:30 AM, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
Could we please have both at once
We now have a combined notice running. Hopefully, this is a better way of doing it (even though it's not as pretty).
-- Casey Brown Cbrown1023
TBH it looks ugly and wastes even more precious screen space.
2009/4/22 Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com:
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.com wrote:
Could we please have both at once
We now have a combined notice running. Hopefully, this is a better way of doing it (even though it's not as pretty).
Thanks Casey and whoever else helped resolve this!
Brianna
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