Beautiful video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p8wFdnPfVw
Pine
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Beautiful video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p8wFdnPfVw
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Just saw that it already has such a license.
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Beautiful video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p8wFdnPfVw
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Hoi, There was a real nice musical intermezzo, violin and piano. I spoke with the pianist and the violinist and they are happy when we use their music in our article(s) on the Erasmus prize :) Thanks, GerardM
PS nothing formal was done, but it was said all the same :)
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Just saw that it already has such a license.
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Is this going to be released under a CC license? Would be awesome to have it on Commons.
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Beautiful video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p8wFdnPfVw
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It's great :-)
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Hoi, There was a real nice musical intermezzo, violin and piano. I spoke with the pianist and the violinist and they are happy when we use their music in our article(s) on the Erasmus prize :) Thanks, GerardM
PS nothing formal was done, but it was said all the same :)
On 26 November 2015 at 09:35, Arne Wossink wossink@wikimedia.nl wrote:
Just saw that it already has such a license.
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Op 26 november 2015 09:30 schreef Arne Wossink wossink@wikimedia.nl:
Is this going to be released under a CC license? Would be awesome to
have
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Beautiful video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p8wFdnPfVw
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Did anyone get a close-up picture of the stradivarius?
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Hoi, There was a real nice musical intermezzo, violin and piano. I spoke with the pianist and the violinist and they are happy when we use their music in our article(s) on the Erasmus prize :) Thanks, GerardM
PS nothing formal was done, but it was said all the same :)
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Just saw that it already has such a license.
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Really nice Video.
Sadly some Wikipedia Zero-stuff was smuggled in at the end of the video which makes the whole thing propagating the violation of net neutrality. But it's under the right licence to edit this out and make the video usable also for people who care about free knowledge and net neutrality.
Jens
2015-11-26 11:12 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com:
Did anyone get a close-up picture of the stradivarius?
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
wrote:
Hoi, There was a real nice musical intermezzo, violin and piano. I spoke with the pianist and the violinist and they are happy when we use their music
in
our article(s) on the Erasmus prize :) Thanks, GerardM
PS nothing formal was done, but it was said all the same :)
On 26 November 2015 at 09:35, Arne Wossink wossink@wikimedia.nl wrote:
Just saw that it already has such a license.
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Op 26 november 2015 09:30 schreef Arne Wossink wossink@wikimedia.nl:
Is this going to be released under a CC license? Would be awesome to
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Beautiful video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p8wFdnPfVw
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Hoi, When you edit it out, you no longer represent why the Erasmus Foundation gave the Erasmus prize to our community.
So edit it out and do appreciate that it no longer represents the reason why the award was given to us. It will be wrong even under the right license. Thanks, GerardM
On 26 November 2015 at 15:54, Jens Best best.jens@gmail.com wrote:
Really nice Video.
Sadly some Wikipedia Zero-stuff was smuggled in at the end of the video which makes the whole thing propagating the violation of net neutrality. But it's under the right licence to edit this out and make the video usable also for people who care about free knowledge and net neutrality.
Jens
2015-11-26 11:12 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com:
Did anyone get a close-up picture of the stradivarius?
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
wrote:
Hoi, There was a real nice musical intermezzo, violin and piano. I spoke
with
the pianist and the violinist and they are happy when we use their
music
in
our article(s) on the Erasmus prize :) Thanks, GerardM
PS nothing formal was done, but it was said all the same :)
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Just saw that it already has such a license.
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:
Is this going to be released under a CC license? Would be awesome
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Nice try, GerardM,
but I don't think that the Erasmus Prize was given to Wikipedia because some people in the Foundation made same questionable deals with some access providers in the Global South. Zero-Rating is a clear violation of the net neutrality principle and many NGOs in the Global South do not appreciate that WMF is undermining these principles for pushing the brand Wikipedia.
Spreading the free knowledge by undermining the principles on which the web became great is wrong.
And the video is much better without this WP0-propaganda in it.
J
2015-11-26 19:39 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, When you edit it out, you no longer represent why the Erasmus Foundation gave the Erasmus prize to our community.
So edit it out and do appreciate that it no longer represents the reason why the award was given to us. It will be wrong even under the right license. Thanks, GerardM
On 26 November 2015 at 15:54, Jens Best best.jens@gmail.com wrote:
Really nice Video.
Sadly some Wikipedia Zero-stuff was smuggled in at the end of the video which makes the whole thing propagating the violation of net neutrality. But it's under the right licence to edit this out and make the video
usable
also for people who care about free knowledge and net neutrality.
Jens
2015-11-26 11:12 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com:
Did anyone get a close-up picture of the stradivarius?
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
wrote:
Hoi, There was a real nice musical intermezzo, violin and piano. I spoke
with
the pianist and the violinist and they are happy when we use their
music
in
our article(s) on the Erasmus prize :) Thanks, GerardM
PS nothing formal was done, but it was said all the same :)
On 26 November 2015 at 09:35, Arne Wossink wossink@wikimedia.nl
wrote:
Just saw that it already has such a license.
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On 2015-11-26 19:48, Jens Best wrote:
Nice try, GerardM,
but I don't think that the Erasmus Prize was given to Wikipedia because some people in the Foundation made same questionable deals with some access providers in the Global South. Zero-Rating is a clear violation of the net neutrality principle and many NGOs in the Global South do not appreciate that WMF is undermining these principles for pushing the brand Wikipedia.
Spreading the free knowledge by undermining the principles on which the web became great is wrong.
And the video is much better without this WP0-propaganda in it.
J
Actually, Wikipedia Zero was explicitly cited in the laudation when the prize was awarded. We may like it or not but it was an integral part of the prize.
Cheers Yaroslav
Well, then this is a cheap success for the propaganda for a project started by the Foundation which has nothing to do with the community which is creating and editing the Wikipedia.
- WP0 is a clear violation of net neutrality and therefore undermines the ground on which an open croudsourcing project is based.
- Also the low numbers of involvement through WP0 are evidence that this is a pure marketing project run by the Foundation for the Foundation and realiter doesn't contribute to the big ideas with which it is sold.
- Additionally the Foundation isn't answering questions about the limits and ending of WP0 for over 1,5 years now. A project - officially sold to bring the poor of the Global South into Wikipedia - is spreading in developed countries where its only purpose is to give the "partnering access provider" a marketing campaign named "Wikipedia for free".
If the Erasmus Prize is really essentially connected to Wikipedia Zero (which I still don't think) than maybe somebody has to inform the office of the Praemium Erasmianum Foundation about the numbers and the facts of this questionable endevaour. I still hope that the prize was recieved because Wikipedia is the biggest cultural project mankind every started.
J
2015-11-26 20:01 GMT+01:00 Yaroslav M. Blanter putevod@mccme.ru:
On 2015-11-26 19:48, Jens Best wrote:
Nice try, GerardM,
but I don't think that the Erasmus Prize was given to Wikipedia because some people in the Foundation made same questionable deals with some access providers in the Global South. Zero-Rating is a clear violation of the net neutrality principle and many NGOs in the Global South do not appreciate that WMF is undermining these principles for pushing the brand Wikipedia.
Spreading the free knowledge by undermining the principles on which the web became great is wrong.
And the video is much better without this WP0-propaganda in it.
J
Actually, Wikipedia Zero was explicitly cited in the laudation when the prize was awarded. We may like it or not but it was an integral part of the prize.
Cheers Yaroslav
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I understand and even sympathize with your position, although not your outright hostility. (Please keep that to a minimum, by the way.)
As others have said, the recognition of Adele Vrana as one of the three laureates accepting on behalf of the Community, and with it the explicit recognition of the project she's led, has made the position of the Erasmus Committee clear. There was nothing "smuggled in" to a video "at the very end," as it were.
As for WP0 itself, you are free to oppose WMF initiatives and even discuss them on this list, but only so long as the goal is meant to be productive. In other words, don't hijack a thread to flog a dead horse. (I have no say in what you write to the Stichting Praemium Erasmianum, of course.)
Thank you,
Austin
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 8:23 PM, Jens Best best.jens@gmail.com wrote:
Well, then this is a cheap success for the propaganda for a project started by the Foundation which has nothing to do with the community which is creating and editing the Wikipedia.
- WP0 is a clear violation of net neutrality and therefore undermines the
ground on which an open croudsourcing project is based.
- Also the low numbers of involvement through WP0 are evidence that this is
a pure marketing project run by the Foundation for the Foundation and realiter doesn't contribute to the big ideas with which it is sold.
- Additionally the Foundation isn't answering questions about the limits
and ending of WP0 for over 1,5 years now. A project - officially sold to bring the poor of the Global South into Wikipedia - is spreading in developed countries where its only purpose is to give the "partnering access provider" a marketing campaign named "Wikipedia for free".
If the Erasmus Prize is really essentially connected to Wikipedia Zero (which I still don't think) than maybe somebody has to inform the office of the Praemium Erasmianum Foundation about the numbers and the facts of this questionable endevaour. I still hope that the prize was recieved because Wikipedia is the biggest cultural project mankind every started.
J
2015-11-26 20:01 GMT+01:00 Yaroslav M. Blanter putevod@mccme.ru:
On 2015-11-26 19:48, Jens Best wrote:
Nice try, GerardM,
but I don't think that the Erasmus Prize was given to Wikipedia because some people in the Foundation made same questionable deals with some access providers in the Global South. Zero-Rating is a clear violation of the net neutrality principle and many NGOs in the Global South do not appreciate that WMF is undermining these principles for pushing the brand Wikipedia.
Spreading the free knowledge by undermining the principles on which the web became great is wrong.
And the video is much better without this WP0-propaganda in it.
J
Actually, Wikipedia Zero was explicitly cited in the laudation when the prize was awarded. We may like it or not but it was an integral part of the prize.
Cheers Yaroslav
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On 26 November 2015 at 19:23, Jens Best best.jens@gmail.com wrote:
Well, then this is a cheap success for the propaganda for a project started by the Foundation which has nothing to do with the community which is creating and editing the Wikipedia.
- WP0 is a clear violation of net neutrality and therefore undermines the
ground on which an open croudsourcing project is based.
Open street maps comes from the UK a country which does not have net neutrality.
The on-wiki version is at: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia,_an_introduction_-_Erasmus... https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia,_an_introduction_-_Erasmus_Prize_2015.webm
Thanks, Mike
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Op 26 november 2015 09:30 schreef Arne Wossink wossink@wikimedia.nl:
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Beautiful video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p8wFdnPfVw
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Beautiful video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p8wFdnPfVw
Pine
This is a wonderful video. Thank you so much to everyone involved in making it.
Sarah
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