Dear Colleagues
Let me start off by pointing out the fact that I am never sure about exactly what issues are handled on this list and secondly when are the issues of a specific language Wikipedia handled among that community and when are they (these issues) - if ever - handled at a higher level (Wikipedia top level).
There are a number of rogue elements that everybody has given up crossing swords with, and wherever these elements go, everybody stays away. One specific member has a track record a mile long of complaints against him, has been blocked many times, but does not learn and has in fact demonstrated that he has no intention to learn.
Ask the more involved members about these rogue elements and ask also about the top-notch editors that have been abandoning the project in recent times.
It is no use leaving this to be addressed by the Portuguese WP, as they have so far not been able to deal with these elements.
Do a search for the word "panelinha" (the "clique"/ "coterie" among the discussion archives ad you will see how often RESPECTED editors complain about this inner circle/ clique of repeat abusers who thrive on power and discord, spending their days undoing what others do.
Until there are firm rules in place to ban these rogues, WP Portuguese will keep on bleeding its best.
I have collected a number of links with countless discussions/ warning about the editor I referred to above - all in Portuguese, naturally - which I can pass on to anyone who wants to look into this. I do hope someone does.
Best regards,
Rui
On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 17:37:56 +0200, Rui Correia wrote:
Dear Colleagues
Let me start off by pointing out the fact that I am never sure about exactly what issues are handled on this list and secondly when are the issues of a specific language Wikipedia handled among that community and when are they (these issues) - if ever - handled at a higher level (Wikipedia top level).
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Best regards,
Rui
Indeed, among the top-10 Wikipedias the Portuguese and the Russian ones have the reputation of the projects where users are more preoccupied with fighting each other and proving points (in the sense of [[:en:WP:POINT]]) that with creating encyclopedia.
On the other hand, nothing ever will be done about it outside these projects. I do not see WMF ever stepping down, under any circumstances. One can open RFC on Meta, which has 100% chance of leading nowhere. Even admins of minor projects, with a long history of abuse, in practice always never get desysopped.
Therefore, I am sorry to say, if you can not defend your cause inside the project, forget about it.
(This does not mean I agree with you that you cause is the right one; in fact I have no opinion).
Cheers Yaroslav
On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:46:57 +0100, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote:
On the other hand, nothing ever will be done about it outside these projects. I do not see WMF ever stepping down, under any circumstances. One can open RFC on Meta, which has 100% chance of
Sorry, obviously meant "stepping in"
Cheers Yaroslav
On Jan 12, 2013 3:38 PM, "Rui Correia" correia.rui@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Colleagues
Let me start off by pointing out the fact that I am never sure about exactly what issues are handled on this list and secondly when are the issues of a specific language Wikipedia handled among that community and when are they (these issues) - if ever - handled at a higher level (Wikipedia top level).
I'm afraid it is extremely unusual for the wider community to intervene in the internal affairs of a project.
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