I don't feel personnally that this post is not courteous. I see it as a proposition and a question echoing world wide concern on the matter (I am based in Switzerland), although I do understand that a answer from the WMF is delicate.

Kind regards,

Natacha

Le 31 janv. 2017 à 00:51, Nathan a écrit :

It might be more effective, and certainly more courteous, if you could avoid making essentially the same set of advocacy posts almost every day.

On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 6:38 PM, James Salsman jsalsman@gmail.com wrote:

I propose that the Foundation issue a statement in support of striking Google employees:

http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/30/14446312/google- immigration-protest-walkout-trump-googlers-unite

And endorsing the call for a national general strike:

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/5r3wxp/ forget_protest_trumps_actions_warrant_a_general/

(Except for the Lyft part, because one of its founders is on the adminstration's transition team.)

On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 12:38 PM James Salsman jsalsman@gmail.com wrote:

Is this more appropriate for the Public Policy or Wikimedia-l list?

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/ jurisprudence/2017/01/court_rulings_couldn_t_protect_ everyone_detained_because_of_trump_s_immigration.html

Several permanent residents have apparently been tricked into signing

away their green cards while being detained without benefit of

counsel.

How many Foundation employees are affected by the travel ban?

Will the foundation join the calls for a general strike?

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I think this is a very interesting point. Why is the WMF so dependent on being able to hire staff in one location? I seem to recall suggesting some time ago that they should diversify their location globally in the inerests of innovation and efficiency. It would have done them good to gt out of the Silicon Valley bubble a long time ago. Perhaps the most effective action they could take, that would be thoroughly in the long-term interests of the mission and also probably agreeable to the inclinations of the majority of staff and contributors, would be to move the bulk of their operations out of the USA altogether. That would be a very powerfful message. I am sure London would welcome the WMF, and the WMF would find it a more vibrant and creative hub than San Francisco.

"Rogol"

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 8:46 AM, Todd Allen toddmallen@gmail.com wrote:

The issue is not just in the current post, but that this is, I believe, the third or so time that the same person has brought up the subject in as many days. Bringing a subject up once is one thing. Bringing it up repeatedly is inherently discourteous because it clogs the mailing list. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe

I dont think "Europe" and european countries cant be thrown in one potatoe bag. When I read this "Some of the most brilliant and creative people in the world live and work in Silicon Valley." it reminds me, as I am French living in Geneva of the attitude of so called "developed" countries wanting to give good advice and impose their way of thinking to so called "underdeveloped countries" in the UN, WTO and ILO sphere, as these guys always go from the premises of their inherent superiority..

Actually in Geneva we have the highest proportion of Nobel prizes per square kilometers (or that is what people out here think). This statement clearly would upset some people who are not included in that brilliantly creative talent pool... It is actually the place where the www idea stems from...

Nattes à chat

Le 31 janv. 2017 à 17:03, Todd Allen a écrit :

I think that's an interesting thought in general, but what used to be true still is today. Europe in general, and the UK in particular, has significantly weaker free speech guarantees than the US does. This manifests in quite a few ways, from "hate speech" to "right to be forgotten" to "superinjunctions" to prohibitions against publishing the name of certain people accused of criminal acts.

Moving to Europe would oblige the WMF to follow these restrictions. How would that be avoided? If anything, Canada might be a better option in that regard, but still far from perfect.

Also, I'd dispute that London is inherently more creative and vibrant than SV. Some of the most brilliant and creative people in the world live and work in Silicon Valley.

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On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:00 AM, Rogol Domedonfors domedonfors@gmail.com wrote:

I think this is a very interesting point. Why is the WMF so dependent on being able to hire staff in one location?

A quick scan of the staff page shows more than 60 "international" employees. (A fair number of employees are also inside the US but not in SF.) Some teams, like Technical Collaboration and Technical Operations, have lots of remote employees. Some, like HR and Finance and Administration, do not (probably not a huge surprise).

The WMF still has plenty of work to do on this front, but I think they're moving in the right direction: almost all of the currently open jobs at the WMF include "remote" as an option.