Also, it is inappropriate to use the slogan "la wikipedia del modelkismo a escala o" because Wikipedia is a registered trademark, I believe, although I do not know if we are registered in Chile. Mark On 15/03/2008, Fajro <faigos(a)gmail.com> wrote: all we will universal -- Refije dirije lanmè yo paske nou posede pwòp bato. _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 12:23 AM, Alejandro Nunez <solomaquetas(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hola Alejandro. You seem a little confused about Wikimedia... Wikimedia does not do national versions of Wikipedia and if you make one, it would be an independent project. The Wikimedia Foundation and the local chapters are in charge of Wikipedia and their sister projects, not of third party projects. If you need more explanations you can write me an e-mail in spanish and I'll help you.

On 17/03/2008, Robert Horning <robert_horning(a)netzero.net> wrote: > Fajro wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 12:23 AM, Alejandro Nunez > > <solomaquetas(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Dear Sirs. > >> We are starting a new project, based on MediaWiki softare: > >> soloWiki: La wikipedia del modelkismo a escala o > >> soloWiki: The wiki of scale modelers > >> You can see that in: > >> http:wiki.solomaquetas.com, we are in the initial stages and using all > >> templates and tools availables. I expect that to finish present year we will > >> be with a godd quantity of critical mass of information > >> > >> So, I want to know what is necessary for start a Chilean chapter of > >> Wikipedia iniative, in large scale and with transversal and universal > >> content > >> > >> Cherrs from Chile > >> > >> Alejandro Nuñez > >> > > > > Hola Alejandro. > > > > You seem a little confused about Wikimedia... > > Wikimedia does not do national versions of Wikipedia and if you make > > one, it would be an independent project. > > The Wikimedia Foundation and the local chapters are in charge of > > Wikipedia and their sister projects, not of third party projects. > > If you need more explanations you can write me an e-mail in spanish > > and I'll help you. > > > > Is this just somebody confused and wanting to create a Chilean Wikimedia > chapter instead of an independent Wikipedia from a Chilean POV? It > sounds like this is somebody who is a little bit confused about how > everything works, but has a tremendous amount of energy they would like > to put into a project like Wikipedia with support from his fellow > countrymen. > > I hope that somebody takes Alejandro under their wing and help him out > in terms of merging his laudable effort with projects that could > accomplish what he really wants to do. A Wikimedia Chile chapter would > be something very much worth having and supporting. >

Well, we already have plenty of Chileans working at Wikipedia and related projects.

Mark Williamson wrote: That is a rather flippant remark here. Of course there are plenty of Chileans working in Wikipedia.... likely even on the English language edition. I'm suggesting that you shouldn't be so callous as to think everybody who makes a remark like Alejandro is completely familiar with the organization of the Wikimedia Foundation and even ways that they may be able to contribute. Remarks like this are not only not helpful, but demonstrate a decidedly hostile attitude toward new users and people outside of the select few who are regular posters here. I'm not exactly sure what the status of Wikimedia Chile may be, as the closest chapter I can find is the one in Argentina. If somebody has taken the time to even discover the existence of this list and post a question in the first place, it shows they have quite a bit of self-initiative, particularly considering that Alejandro may not even speak English as his primary language. I sure hope this isn't a typical attitude of those who post on this list in a regular fashion. -- Robert Horning _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Mark Williamson wrote: I strongly disagree with this sentiment. I have seen some outstanding new contributors come out of the woodwork that have additional organizational and leadership skills, and a drive to see something get accomplish. I have also worked with volunteers with a great many other organizations that depend upon volunteer labor, and whenever a cliquish attitude prevails it tends to drive away any additional volunteers who want to come forward with new ideas. How do you suggest that Alejandro learn about Wikimedia and the projects if you never give him a chance to learn about it in the first place, and shoot down his ideas even if he doesn't quite know the terminology? As far as placing hope on his shoulders.... absolutely I am doing just that. I place enormous hope upon every new participant to any volunteer organization, as that is ultimately the future of the organization... including Wikimedia projects. New contributors are the life blood of the projects, and it is incumbent on the part of everybody participating to make it easier, not harder, for these new contributors to add to these projects in the future. Squashing hopes and dreams is a good way to make an organization like the Wikimedia Foundation become stagnant, irrelevant, and spell the eventual death of the organization even if it is a death by attrition. How else do you think a chapter forms, unless there is a spark and a germ of an idea? Do you think Florance can spontaneously create a whole new Wikimedia chapter out of nothing, and those who should participate only come from those veteran Wikimedia users who have been editing on the projects for more than 10 years? I am suggesting that combining the efforts of somebody like Alejandro with others who may have a similar vision is precisely the kind of people we need if we are going to promote chapter creation... unless there is an attitude that prevails that we don't need any more chapters. An organization is either growing or dying. Which is it for Wikimedia projects? BWT, I am trying to assume good faith... on the part of this new contributor. He appears to have a strong desire to accomplish some projects and tasks that can promote his country, and would like to be a leader to bring people together for creating free content. Isn't this precisely what Wikimedia projects are about? -- Robert Horning _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Can a Spanish speaker just help him and we stop bickering over the finer points of AGF? Arguing over who was (or was failing to) assume good faith is a waste of everyone's time.