Also, it is inappropriate to use the slogan "la wikipedia del modelkismo a escala o" because Wikipedia is a registered trademark, I believe, although I do not know if we are registered in Chile.

Mark

On 15/03/2008, Fajro faigos@gmail.com wrote:

On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 12:23 AM, Alejandro Nunez solomaquetas@gmail.com wrote:

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Dear Sirs. We are starting a new project, based on MediaWiki softare: soloWiki: La wikipedia del modelkismo a escala o soloWiki: The wiki of scale modelers You can see that in: http:wiki.solomaquetas.com, we are in the initial stages and using all templates and tools availables. I expect that to finish present year we will be with a godd quantity of critical mass of information

So, I want to know what is necessary for start a Chilean chapter of Wikipedia iniative, in large scale and with transversal and universal content

Cherrs from Chile

Alejandro Nuñez

Hola Alejandro.

You seem a little confused about Wikimedia... Wikimedia does not do national versions of Wikipedia and if you make one, it would be an independent project. The Wikimedia Foundation and the local chapters are in charge of Wikipedia and their sister projects, not of third party projects. If you need more explanations you can write me an e-mail in spanish and I'll help you.

-- △ ℱajro △ IM: faigos at gmail dot com Lernu! - http://www.lernu.net Wikimedia Argentina - http://www.wikimedia.org.ar GPG Fingerprint: D10D 70BD 69FE 51BD 9A0E B063 154A 34E1 6B7A 4266

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Because they are not, in fact, Wikipedia?

Mark

On 17/03/2008, Nathan nawrich@gmail.com wrote:

The slogan doesn't bother me, personally. It isn't likely to be misleading, if I'm not mistaken they aren't using it commercially, and they are using MediaWiki software. Possibly they've already asked and received permission, but if they do is there a reason why it shouldn't be granted?

Nathan

On 3/17/08, Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com wrote:

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Also, it is inappropriate to use the slogan "la wikipedia del modelkismo a escala o" because Wikipedia is a registered trademark, I believe, although I do not know if we are registered in Chile.

Mark

On 15/03/2008, Fajro faigos@gmail.com wrote:

...

On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 12:23 AM, Alejandro Nunez solomaquetas@gmail.com wrote:

...

Dear Sirs. We are starting a new project, based on MediaWiki softare: soloWiki: La wikipedia del modelkismo a escala o soloWiki: The wiki of scale modelers You can see that in: http:wiki.solomaquetas.com, we are in the initial stages and using

all

...

...

templates and tools availables. I expect that to finish present year

we will

...

...

be with a godd quantity of critical mass of information

So, I want to know what is necessary for start a Chilean chapter of Wikipedia iniative, in large scale and with transversal and

universal

...

...

content

Cherrs from Chile

Alejandro Nuñez

Hola Alejandro.

You seem a little confused about Wikimedia... Wikimedia does not do national versions of Wikipedia and if you make one, it would be an independent project. The Wikimedia Foundation and the local chapters are in charge of Wikipedia and their sister projects, not of third party projects. If you need more explanations you can write me an e-mail in spanish and I'll help you.

-- △ ℱajro △ IM: faigos at gmail dot com Lernu! - http://www.lernu.net Wikimedia Argentina - http://www.wikimedia.org.ar GPG Fingerprint: D10D 70BD 69FE 51BD 9A0E B063 154A 34E1 6B7A 4266

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Well, we already have plenty of Chileans working at Wikipedia and related projects.

Mark

On 17/03/2008, Robert Horning robert_horning@netzero.net wrote:

Fajro wrote:

...

On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 12:23 AM, Alejandro Nunez solomaquetas@gmail.com wrote:

...

Dear Sirs. We are starting a new project, based on MediaWiki softare: soloWiki: La wikipedia del modelkismo a escala o soloWiki: The wiki of scale modelers You can see that in: http:wiki.solomaquetas.com, we are in the initial stages and using all templates and tools availables. I expect that to finish present year we will be with a godd quantity of critical mass of information

So, I want to know what is necessary for start a Chilean chapter of Wikipedia iniative, in large scale and with transversal and universal content

Cherrs from Chile

Alejandro Nuñez

Hola Alejandro.

You seem a little confused about Wikimedia... Wikimedia does not do national versions of Wikipedia and if you make one, it would be an independent project. The Wikimedia Foundation and the local chapters are in charge of Wikipedia and their sister projects, not of third party projects. If you need more explanations you can write me an e-mail in spanish and I'll help you.

Is this just somebody confused and wanting to create a Chilean Wikimedia chapter instead of an independent Wikipedia from a Chilean POV? It sounds like this is somebody who is a little bit confused about how everything works, but has a tremendous amount of energy they would like to put into a project like Wikipedia with support from his fellow countrymen.

I hope that somebody takes Alejandro under their wing and help him out in terms of merging his laudable effort with projects that could accomplish what he really wants to do. A Wikimedia Chile chapter would be something very much worth having and supporting.

-- Robert Horning

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Mark Williamson wrote:

Well, we already have plenty of Chileans working at Wikipedia and related projects.

Mark

That is a rather flippant remark here. Of course there are plenty of Chileans working in Wikipedia.... likely even on the English language edition.

I'm suggesting that you shouldn't be so callous as to think everybody who makes a remark like Alejandro is completely familiar with the organization of the Wikimedia Foundation and even ways that they may be able to contribute. Remarks like this are not only not helpful, but demonstrate a decidedly hostile attitude toward new users and people outside of the select few who are regular posters here.

I'm not exactly sure what the status of Wikimedia Chile may be, as the closest chapter I can find is the one in Argentina. If somebody has taken the time to even discover the existence of this list and post a question in the first place, it shows they have quite a bit of self-initiative, particularly considering that Alejandro may not even speak English as his primary language. I sure hope this isn't a typical attitude of those who post on this list in a regular fashion.

-- Robert Horning

Mark Williamson wrote:

Perhaps you should assume good faith.

My point was that Alejandro seems to know very little about our organization, thus he would probably not be the best person to start a Wikimedia chapter in Chile at this point. You are placing too much of your hope on his shoulders, it seems.

Mark

I strongly disagree with this sentiment. I have seen some outstanding new contributors come out of the woodwork that have additional organizational and leadership skills, and a drive to see something get accomplish. I have also worked with volunteers with a great many other organizations that depend upon volunteer labor, and whenever a cliquish attitude prevails it tends to drive away any additional volunteers who want to come forward with new ideas.

How do you suggest that Alejandro learn about Wikimedia and the projects if you never give him a chance to learn about it in the first place, and shoot down his ideas even if he doesn't quite know the terminology? As far as placing hope on his shoulders.... absolutely I am doing just that. I place enormous hope upon every new participant to any volunteer organization, as that is ultimately the future of the organization... including Wikimedia projects. New contributors are the life blood of the projects, and it is incumbent on the part of everybody participating to make it easier, not harder, for these new contributors to add to these projects in the future. Squashing hopes and dreams is a good way to make an organization like the Wikimedia Foundation become stagnant, irrelevant, and spell the eventual death of the organization even if it is a death by attrition.

How else do you think a chapter forms, unless there is a spark and a germ of an idea? Do you think Florance can spontaneously create a whole new Wikimedia chapter out of nothing, and those who should participate only come from those veteran Wikimedia users who have been editing on the projects for more than 10 years? I am suggesting that combining the efforts of somebody like Alejandro with others who may have a similar vision is precisely the kind of people we need if we are going to promote chapter creation... unless there is an attitude that prevails that we don't need any more chapters. An organization is either growing or dying. Which is it for Wikimedia projects?

BWT, I am trying to assume good faith... on the part of this new contributor. He appears to have a strong desire to accomplish some projects and tasks that can promote his country, and would like to be a leader to bring people together for creating free content. Isn't this precisely what Wikimedia projects are about?

-- Robert Horning

Can a Spanish speaker just help him and we stop bickering over the finer points of AGF? Arguing over who was (or was failing to) assume good faith is a waste of everyone's time.

-Chad

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com wrote:

You are being a bit unreasonable - we don't only have two types of contributors, those who have been here for 10 years and those who just got here, we have people at every level in between. I'm sure Alejandro could help start a local chapter, but I don't think someone so new could be the driving force.

And AGF applies to everyone, not just Alejandro. Just because you and I have been here longer doesn't mean we shouldn't assume that the other is acting in good faith, and apply the doctrine only in our attitudes towards newcomers.

Mark

On 18/03/2008, Robert Horning robert_horning@netzero.net wrote:

...

Mark Williamson wrote:

...

Perhaps you should assume good faith.

My point was that Alejandro seems to know very little about our organization, thus he would probably not be the best person to start a Wikimedia chapter in Chile at this point. You are placing too much of your hope on his shoulders, it seems.

Mark

I strongly disagree with this sentiment. I have seen some outstanding new contributors come out of the woodwork that have additional organizational and leadership skills, and a drive to see something get accomplish. I have also worked with volunteers with a great many other organizations that depend upon volunteer labor, and whenever a cliquish attitude prevails it tends to drive away any additional volunteers who want to come forward with new ideas.

How do you suggest that Alejandro learn about Wikimedia and the projects if you never give him a chance to learn about it in the first place, and shoot down his ideas even if he doesn't quite know the terminology? As far as placing hope on his shoulders.... absolutely I am doing just that. I place enormous hope upon every new participant to any volunteer organization, as that is ultimately the future of the organization... including Wikimedia projects. New contributors are the life blood of the projects, and it is incumbent on the part of everybody participating to make it easier, not harder, for these new contributors to add to these projects in the future. Squashing hopes and dreams is a good way to make an organization like the Wikimedia Foundation become stagnant, irrelevant, and spell the eventual death of the organization even if it is a death by attrition.

How else do you think a chapter forms, unless there is a spark and a germ of an idea? Do you think Florance can spontaneously create a whole new Wikimedia chapter out of nothing, and those who should participate only come from those veteran Wikimedia users who have been editing on the projects for more than 10 years? I am suggesting that combining the efforts of somebody like Alejandro with others who may have a similar vision is precisely the kind of people we need if we are going to promote chapter creation... unless there is an attitude that prevails that we don't need any more chapters. An organization is either growing or dying. Which is it for Wikimedia projects?

BWT, I am trying to assume good faith... on the part of this new contributor. He appears to have a strong desire to accomplish some projects and tasks that can promote his country, and would like to be a leader to bring people together for creating free content. Isn't this precisely what Wikimedia projects are about?

-- Robert Horning

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