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I don't see how it could be a "community-driven" group if every member of the group is a WMF appointee.
I find the practice of WMF staff appointing volunteers to groups to be very problematic. I hope that different methods can be used in the future.
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בתאריך יום ב׳, 28 במרץ 2022 ב-16:09 מאת Cassie Casares < ccasares@wikimedia.org>:
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It's worth highlighting the stipend (presumably intended for otherwise unpaid volunteers who are not full-time employees of the WMF). It's $200 for "each 2 months" and covers costs of "childcare, internet, transportation and other costs that make volunteering possible".
The commitment is to give *5 hours a week* for a 1 year period, so $100/month is approximately $5 an hour in costs. A rock bottom rate for a babysitter in the USA would be $10/hour. If you need to travel to a quiet workspace, like a friendly and entirely free library or Uni, to do the work or find a cubical to join a Zoom meeting, then the cost of transport is likely to again going to start at $10 and if you need to buy a take-away to replace time preparing an evening meal that's going to be $20 for something basic. Some countries in Europe have government-supported childcare, but even these may not be free but subsidized.
It would be interesting to see more analysis of how volunteer stipends are normalised if these are becoming more common in WMF grants and project funding, and how they are intended to vary based on the standard cost of living in different countries, additional real-life receipted costs or what other circumstances will justify increasing the non-receipted stipend. If this has been done behind the scenes by the WMF, it would be useful to publish it to inform future projects.
Lane
On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 at 21:09, Cassie Casares ccasares@wikimedia.org wrote:
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stipends aren't meant to cover every cost for the volunteer, its an acknowledgement that as volunteers we do incur costs we can always choose not to contribute. $200 a month yeah thats nice when your in the US, EU or AU for other less well off countries it does make a difference for them. It'd be unfair to offer a stipend to be varied between countries because it'd encourage and entrench bias, and inequity across the movement.
On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 19:44, Lane Chance zinkloss@gmail.com wrote:
It's worth highlighting the stipend (presumably intended for otherwise unpaid volunteers who are not full-time employees of the WMF). It's $200 for "each 2 months" and covers costs of "childcare, internet, transportation and other costs that make volunteering possible".
The commitment is to give *5 hours a week* for a 1 year period, so $100/month is approximately $5 an hour in costs. A rock bottom rate for a babysitter in the USA would be $10/hour. If you need to travel to a quiet workspace, like a friendly and entirely free library or Uni, to do the work or find a cubical to join a Zoom meeting, then the cost of transport is likely to again going to start at $10 and if you need to buy a take-away to replace time preparing an evening meal that's going to be $20 for something basic. Some countries in Europe have government-supported childcare, but even these may not be free but subsidized.
It would be interesting to see more analysis of how volunteer stipends are normalised if these are becoming more common in WMF grants and project funding, and how they are intended to vary based on the standard cost of living in different countries, additional real-life receipted costs or what other circumstances will justify increasing the non-receipted stipend. If this has been done behind the scenes by the WMF, it would be useful to publish it to inform future projects.
Lane
On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 at 21:09, Cassie Casares ccasares@wikimedia.org wrote:
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Sorry meant to say every second month, to be honest as mentors we should be doing it to help others grow and help the movement grow not for the stipend anyway
On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 20:00, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote:
stipends aren't meant to cover every cost for the volunteer, its an acknowledgement that as volunteers we do incur costs we can always choose not to contribute. $200 a month yeah thats nice when your in the US, EU or AU for other less well off countries it does make a difference for them. It'd be unfair to offer a stipend to be varied between countries because it'd encourage and entrench bias, and inequity across the movement.
On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 19:44, Lane Chance zinkloss@gmail.com wrote:
It's worth highlighting the stipend (presumably intended for otherwise unpaid volunteers who are not full-time employees of the WMF). It's $200 for "each 2 months" and covers costs of "childcare, internet, transportation and other costs that make volunteering possible".
The commitment is to give *5 hours a week* for a 1 year period, so $100/month is approximately $5 an hour in costs. A rock bottom rate for a babysitter in the USA would be $10/hour. If you need to travel to a quiet workspace, like a friendly and entirely free library or Uni, to do the work or find a cubical to join a Zoom meeting, then the cost of transport is likely to again going to start at $10 and if you need to buy a take-away to replace time preparing an evening meal that's going to be $20 for something basic. Some countries in Europe have government-supported childcare, but even these may not be free but subsidized.
It would be interesting to see more analysis of how volunteer stipends are normalised if these are becoming more common in WMF grants and project funding, and how they are intended to vary based on the standard cost of living in different countries, additional real-life receipted costs or what other circumstances will justify increasing the non-receipted stipend. If this has been done behind the scenes by the WMF, it would be useful to publish it to inform future projects.
Lane
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In what way would it be bad to "publish [the analysis] to inform future projects"?
Neither was it stated or implied in my email that stipends were to "cover every cost", just to put $5/hour in context that it may be enough to pay for a take-away, but it's not enough to cover anything significant like childcare costs, which happens to be an explicitly stated reason for paying a stipend on the meta page.
The question about whether variations, like claiming extra expenses for childcare, is possible is a good one. By paying a fixed or nominal stipend, at first glance it appears that expenses beyond this will not be accepted by the WMF, which bakes in an obvious bias against participation from some minority groups with reasonable additional needs.
Lane
On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 13:01, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote:
stipends aren't meant to cover every cost for the volunteer, its an acknowledgement that as volunteers we do incur costs we can always choose not to contribute. $200 a month yeah thats nice when your in the US, EU or AU for other less well off countries it does make a difference for them. It'd be unfair to offer a stipend to be varied between countries because it'd encourage and entrench bias, and inequity across the movement.
On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 19:44, Lane Chance zinkloss@gmail.com wrote:
It's worth highlighting the stipend (presumably intended for otherwise unpaid volunteers who are not full-time employees of the WMF). It's $200 for "each 2 months" and covers costs of "childcare, internet, transportation and other costs that make volunteering possible".
The commitment is to give *5 hours a week* for a 1 year period, so $100/month is approximately $5 an hour in costs. A rock bottom rate for a babysitter in the USA would be $10/hour. If you need to travel to a quiet workspace, like a friendly and entirely free library or Uni, to do the work or find a cubical to join a Zoom meeting, then the cost of transport is likely to again going to start at $10 and if you need to buy a take-away to replace time preparing an evening meal that's going to be $20 for something basic. Some countries in Europe have government-supported childcare, but even these may not be free but subsidized.
It would be interesting to see more analysis of how volunteer stipends are normalised if these are becoming more common in WMF grants and project funding, and how they are intended to vary based on the standard cost of living in different countries, additional real-life receipted costs or what other circumstances will justify increasing the non-receipted stipend. If this has been done behind the scenes by the WMF, it would be useful to publish it to inform future projects.
Lane
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You miss the point we do this as volunteers: a stipend isn't necessary. It's a just nice way to say thankyou for your time, offering it up may help some people who would make great mentors being able to dedicate extra time. If you're doing it just for the stipend then it should be questionable as to whether you're the right person to mentor volunteers to become future leaders of the community. Every role whether it is outreach to a group, leading an affiliate, being on a community committee, or even organising a Wikimania requires dedicating time sometimes even at 2 or 3am, taking responsibility it's all voluntary the most you'll get is a few kind words.
On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 at 01:21, Lane Chance zinkloss@gmail.com wrote:
In what way would it be bad to "publish [the analysis] to inform future projects"?
Neither was it stated or implied in my email that stipends were to "cover every cost", just to put $5/hour in context that it may be enough to pay for a take-away, but it's not enough to cover anything significant like childcare costs, which happens to be an explicitly stated reason for paying a stipend on the meta page.
The question about whether variations, like claiming extra expenses for childcare, is possible is a good one. By paying a fixed or nominal stipend, at first glance it appears that expenses beyond this will not be accepted by the WMF, which bakes in an obvious bias against participation from some minority groups with reasonable additional needs.
Lane
On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 13:01, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote:
stipends aren't meant to cover every cost for the volunteer, its an
acknowledgement that as volunteers we do incur costs we can always choose not to contribute. $200 a month yeah thats nice when your in the US, EU or AU for other less well off countries it does make a difference for them. It'd be unfair to offer a stipend to be varied between countries because it'd encourage and entrench bias, and inequity across the movement.
On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 19:44, Lane Chance zinkloss@gmail.com wrote:
It's worth highlighting the stipend (presumably intended for otherwise unpaid volunteers who are not full-time employees of the WMF). It's $200 for "each 2 months" and covers costs of "childcare, internet, transportation and other costs that make volunteering possible".
The commitment is to give *5 hours a week* for a 1 year period, so $100/month is approximately $5 an hour in costs. A rock bottom rate for a babysitter in the USA would be $10/hour. If you need to travel to a quiet workspace, like a friendly and entirely free library or Uni, to do the work or find a cubical to join a Zoom meeting, then the cost of transport is likely to again going to start at $10 and if you need to buy a take-away to replace time preparing an evening meal that's going to be $20 for something basic. Some countries in Europe have government-supported childcare, but even these may not be free but subsidized.
It would be interesting to see more analysis of how volunteer stipends are normalised if these are becoming more common in WMF grants and project funding, and how they are intended to vary based on the standard cost of living in different countries, additional real-life receipted costs or what other circumstances will justify increasing the non-receipted stipend. If this has been done behind the scenes by the WMF, it would be useful to publish it to inform future projects.
Lane
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You miss the point we do this as volunteers: a stipend isn't necessary. It's a just nice way to say thankyou for your time, offering it up may help some people who would make great mentors being able to dedicate extra time. If you're doing it just for the stipend then it should be questionable as to whether you're the right person to mentor volunteers to become future leaders of the community. Every role whether it is outreach to a group, leading an affiliate, being on a community committee, or even organising a Wikimania requires dedicating time sometimes even at 2 or 3am, taking responsibility it's all voluntary the most you'll get is a few kind words.
Just to clarify with my last statement and prior responses I'm talking about US/CA, EU, AU type countries where altruistic endeavours as volunteers are something we have the privilege of being able to do with limited impact on our daily lives or standard of living. Any measure of a good stipend/gift should be to ensure that it helps where it has the most valuable impact. Another example of the dangers of english translations where we all speak one language but we use it differently.
On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 at 07:56, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote:
You miss the point we do this as volunteers: a stipend isn't necessary. It's a just nice way to say thankyou for your time, offering it up may help some people who would make great mentors being able to dedicate extra time. If you're doing it just for the stipend then it should be questionable as to whether you're the right person to mentor volunteers to become future leaders of the community. Every role whether it is outreach to a group, leading an affiliate, being on a community committee, or even organising a Wikimania requires dedicating time sometimes even at 2 or 3am, taking responsibility it's all voluntary the most you'll get is a few kind words.
On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 at 01:21, Lane Chance zinkloss@gmail.com wrote:
In what way would it be bad to "publish [the analysis] to inform future projects"?
Neither was it stated or implied in my email that stipends were to "cover every cost", just to put $5/hour in context that it may be enough to pay for a take-away, but it's not enough to cover anything significant like childcare costs, which happens to be an explicitly stated reason for paying a stipend on the meta page.
The question about whether variations, like claiming extra expenses for childcare, is possible is a good one. By paying a fixed or nominal stipend, at first glance it appears that expenses beyond this will not be accepted by the WMF, which bakes in an obvious bias against participation from some minority groups with reasonable additional needs.
Lane
On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 13:01, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote:
stipends aren't meant to cover every cost for the volunteer, its an
acknowledgement that as volunteers we do incur costs we can always choose not to contribute. $200 a month yeah thats nice when your in the US, EU or AU for other less well off countries it does make a difference for them. It'd be unfair to offer a stipend to be varied between countries because it'd encourage and entrench bias, and inequity across the movement.
On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 19:44, Lane Chance zinkloss@gmail.com wrote:
It's worth highlighting the stipend (presumably intended for otherwise unpaid volunteers who are not full-time employees of the WMF). It's $200 for "each 2 months" and covers costs of "childcare, internet, transportation and other costs that make volunteering possible".
The commitment is to give *5 hours a week* for a 1 year period, so $100/month is approximately $5 an hour in costs. A rock bottom rate for a babysitter in the USA would be $10/hour. If you need to travel to a quiet workspace, like a friendly and entirely free library or Uni, to do the work or find a cubical to join a Zoom meeting, then the cost of transport is likely to again going to start at $10 and if you need to buy a take-away to replace time preparing an evening meal that's going to be $20 for something basic. Some countries in Europe have government-supported childcare, but even these may not be free but subsidized.
It would be interesting to see more analysis of how volunteer stipends are normalised if these are becoming more common in WMF grants and project funding, and how they are intended to vary based on the standard cost of living in different countries, additional real-life receipted costs or what other circumstances will justify increasing the non-receipted stipend. If this has been done behind the scenes by the WMF, it would be useful to publish it to inform future projects.
Lane
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