Maybe I wasn't clear enough, but this wasn't what I was suggesting. I hardly
recollect that two people were trying to start a chapter on their own, and I
do not think that that is the reason people do not trust the current
foundation (association) and/or its board members. I do think that some
people have coerced their opinion. How people feel about that is worsened by
the fact that board members only (very) reluctantly answer the questions of
Dutch Wikimedians.
I also like to make clear that I did or do not mistrust anyone, I believe
everyones intentions about a Dutch chapter are sincere (strong opinion or
not).
-Fruggo
Oscar wrote (among other things):
maybe fruggo is right in suggesting that the current
board and chapter is
suffering from the mistrust that those two people that have tried to
organize a chapter before, without any involvement or even knowledge
thereof
by the dutch communities, has left behind.
On 4/19/06, Fruggo <fruggo(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I believe Walter is right when he contradicts that there is a group of
admins that act against the wishes of the community. When the first
plans
of
a Dutch Wikimedia organisation were made I contributed to the
discussions
on
the Dutch Wikimedia website and I went to a (the first?) meeting of
people
who were interested. It soon occurred to me that
some people had very
strong
opinions on forming an organisation, and there was not many room for
dissident opinions. I got the impression that many people thought that
the
organisation could/should have a say about the
Dutch Wikipedia. I didn't
like the way some people (who were intent on becoming a board member)
seemed
to force their opinion on others, so I backed out of the development of
the
organisation. I believe that the way dissident opinions were handled is
now
an important source of the fear of many Dutch Wikipedians that the Dutch
foundation and association (but mostly the foundation, since that is the
least democratic) will not listen to the Dutch community.
-Fruggo
Walter Vermeir schreef:
> I think the biggest problem is that a certain group of Dutch
moderators
> take
> > decisions for example to block someone for a long time, without
being
> > interested in the opinion of the
community. Something there is some
> admin
> > power abuse done by that specific group of moderators. Now the case
is
that
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The Dutch Wikipedia is not paradise. But you give the impression that
there is a group of admins on the Dutch Wikipedia who are behaving
strongly against the wishes of the community. And that those are now
also controlling those new chapters.
This is highly incorrect.
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