Maybe I wasn't clear enough, but this wasn't what I was suggesting. I hardly recollect that two people were trying to start a chapter on their own, and I do not think that that is the reason people do not trust the current foundation (association) and/or its board members. I do think that some people have coerced their opinion. How people feel about that is worsened by the fact that board members only (very) reluctantly answer the questions of Dutch Wikimedians.
I also like to make clear that I did or do not mistrust anyone, I believe everyones intentions about a Dutch chapter are sincere (strong opinion or not).
-Fruggo
Oscar wrote (among other things):
maybe fruggo is right in suggesting that the current board and chapter is suffering from the mistrust that those two people that have tried to organize a chapter before, without any involvement or even knowledge thereof by the dutch communities, has left behind.
On 4/19/06, Fruggo fruggo@gmail.com wrote:
I believe Walter is right when he contradicts that there is a group of admins that act against the wishes of the community. When the first
plans
of a Dutch Wikimedia organisation were made I contributed to the
discussions
on the Dutch Wikimedia website and I went to a (the first?) meeting of
people
who were interested. It soon occurred to me that some people had very strong opinions on forming an organisation, and there was not many room for dissident opinions. I got the impression that many people thought that
the
organisation could/should have a say about the Dutch Wikipedia. I didn't like the way some people (who were intent on becoming a board member) seemed to force their opinion on others, so I backed out of the development of the organisation. I believe that the way dissident opinions were handled is now an important source of the fear of many Dutch Wikipedians that the Dutch foundation and association (but mostly the foundation, since that is the least democratic) will not listen to the Dutch community.
-Fruggo
Walter Vermeir schreef:
I think the biggest problem is that a certain group of Dutch
moderators
take
decisions for example to block someone for a long time, without
being
interested in the opinion of the community. Something there is some
admin
power abuse done by that specific group of moderators. Now the case
is
that [cut]
The Dutch Wikipedia is not paradise. But you give the impression that there is a group of admins on the Dutch Wikipedia who are behaving strongly against the wishes of the community. And that those are now also controlling those new chapters.
This is highly incorrect.
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